[kocial]

The problem with the big open-source companies is that they are always very late to understand and implement the most basic innovations that come out.

Caddy & Traefik did it long, long ago (half a decade ago), and after half a decade, we finally have ngxin supporting it too. Great move though, finally I won't have to manually run certbot :pray:

[winter_blue]

Caddy did it almost a decade ago. IIRC it had some form of automatic Let’s Encrypt HTTPS back in 2016.

So Nginx is just about 9 to 10 years late. Lol

[mholt]

2015 in fact. A decade ago.

[squigz]

And the brilliant thing about open source projects is that if someone felt it was so important to have it built-in, they could have done so many years ago.

[stephenr]

Given that Caddy has a history that includes choices like "refuse to start if LE cannot be contacted while a valid certificate exists on disk" I'm pretty happy to keep my certificate issuance separate from a web server.

I need a tool to issue certs for a bunch of other services anyway, I don't really see how it became such a thing for people to want it embedded in their web server.

[francislavoie]

As we repeat every time this comes up, this was literally 8 years ago when the project was in its infancy and the project author was in the middle of exams, and it has not been true since. Caddy has been rewritten from the ground up since then, and comparing it to those old versions is dishonest.

[stephenr]

The concern isn't that the same code exists, or even that it has odd unintended behaviour.

The concern is that the author failed to understand why his batshit-crazy intended behaviour was a bad design from the start.

[francislavoie]

So you've never made mistakes in your life? Do you think children are irredeemable if they get a B on their tests in school? What a ridiculous take.

[stephenr]

Making a mistake is generally considered "acceptable" if you learn from it and acknowledge the mistake.

The author did neither - he was steadfast that his approach was correct, and everyone else was wrong.

[mholt]

I remember you. You're just grumpy because you didn't think of it first. ;)

[stephenr]

Top effort dispelling the claim that you make poor decisions mate.

Someone references when you made an ass-backwards decision, and insisted you were correct; your immediate response is not any kind of explanation about how you learnt to trust other people's opinions, or even acknowledging that you got it wrong - you resort to petty childlike attempts at insult.