[euleriancon]

The nature of Chinese censorship makes it difficult to provide hard numbers, but it really is worse. America's handling of censorship is certainly not the best, and it has gotten worse recently, but it is not on the level of China.

[antonymoose]

At least the Chinese have the courtesy to be obvious about it. The American and European powers pretend we’re free and open societies while actively undermining public speech that it doesn’t like.

[ambicapter]

You think they're obvious about it intentionally?

[antonymoose]

Isn’t that the entire point of their system, the social score lets you know exactly what’s going on?

[PeterStuer]

On a scale from credit score to being debanked, where does China's social score rank on the Western oubliette spectrum?

[antonymoose]

I’m not here to rank societies.

[adamsb6]

Social scores aren't real.

[aisosodndn]

The social score is not real. That is western propaganda in action.

[euleriancon]

What are you referring to?

gov.cn page on social credit system plan https://www.ndrc.gov.cn/xxgk/zcfb/tz/202406/P020240604321155...

gov.cn page on social credit system suggested changes/opinions https://www.gov.cn/zhengce/202503/content_7016535.htm

baidu page on social credit system https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E7%A4%BE%E4%BC%9A%E4%BF%A1%E7%...

Are you making the distinction that its name is actually the social credit system and not social score? Or that the system isn't fully in place yet.

Or perhaps are you suggesting that gov.cn and baidu are part of the deep state's propaganda plan against China.

[pyth0]

Your links (at least the ones I could translate) seem to describe a system very similar to a Credit Score like you have in Western economies. At least it seems very different from the propagandized version of a score that tracks your every action and determines "how good of a citizen are you".

[aisosodndn]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

I think this answers all your questions? It has no real effect (many people don’t have one). But, I’m not sure what your question really is.

The American propaganda definition (which may vary) is incorrect because the system doesn’t really exist.

[8note]

i only think of it wrt to this guy: https://china-journal.org/2019/05/27/chinese-mma-fighter-xu-...

who couldnt easily get to his next fights against tai chi frauds because the social credit score prevented him from flying or bussing and whathaveyou

[rangestransform]

I think they cultivate the image of having a panopticon to say to citizens "don't even try", but in reality the censors can't see everything

[1oooqooq]

there's a paper that compares both when it comes to promoting organized political action (which is the only type of censorship that is not morally justifiable under any semblance of democracy) and both countries scored the same low points.

both got high passing grades on allowing meaningless complaining about government.