[eadmund]

> I am not going to completely change my editor and rebuild two decades of optimization just to use two Emacs tools.

Change your editor and rebuild two decades of optimisation in order to use Emacs, two Emacs tools, and also every other Emacs tool out there. Org Mode, TRAMP, Magit, gptel, eglot, flycheck, elfeed, ERC, Emms, EWW … there are a ton of reasons to use Emacs.

Or you can keep using less-capable systems and being annoyed when folks recommend that you upgrade.

[felbane]

Your argument highlights its own flaw; changing your editor opens up a world of tooling that's certainly adequate for most use cases you can throw at it, but it also requires either discarding or (worse) un-learning all of the tooling that you've learned for your current editor.

For example, I'm perfectly content to use nvim as my primary editor, and this was born out of having to develop for and administer literally tens of thousands of linux servers professionally. I have all the plug-ins and configuration necessary for productivity on my development machines, and when I'm on a remote system ad hoc editing a configuration it already has a built-in lightweight version of the editor I'm already used to.

If I switched to Emacs locally, I'd still have to maintain a working knowledge of vi and context switch when in a remote shell. Changing to Emacs would require more cognitive bandwidth when the whole purpose of "switching for org mode" is to reduce mental load.

[eadmund]

> If I switched to Emacs locally, I'd still have to maintain a working knowledge of vi and context switch when in a remote shell.

Even ignoring the possibility of installing Emacs on remote systems, there are still alternatives:

1. You can run remote shells within Emacs, and edit files remotely using TRAMP. When you are editing a remote file, shell commands run from Emacs run on the remote system.

2. You could use Evil, the Emacs implementation of vim. Then you would use the same bindings everywhere.

3. I have been running Emacs locally for literal decades now, but I still remember and use vi frequently, both locally and remotely. It’s really not a problem.

I feel like there must be an editor version of the Blub Paradox.

[jorvi]

> Or you can keep using less-capable systems and being annoyed when folks recommend that you upgrade.

Or I get to choose the most logical option yet: keep being annoyed when haughty people keep trying to push a downgrade on me as a supposed 'upgrade'.

[v3ss0n]

You are just living in your own world and forcing others to move there. Thats not how it works.

[eadmund]

Who’s forcing? I’m recommending.