[api]

Unfortunately a lot of people are now saying we need extreme curtailing of rights -- largely womens' rights -- because of underpopulation. The answer to every panic is always curtailing of rights. Scary thing may happen therefore we need big alpha ape to fix it for us by bashing people on head with big rock. Grunt, grunt.

[UncleMeat]

Right this is what I am saying. And I think that we should be outrageously skeptical of such people and oppose them with fervor. In the 70s people were saying that we needed to commit brutal oppression against a large portion of the world based on geography in order to prevent future catastrophe. These people were wrong in every possible dimension and has we listened to them we would have committed a world-historic evil.

Similarly, we are starting to see people say that we need to commit brutal oppression against a large portion of the world (this time based on gender) in order to prevent future catastrophe. I suspect that these people will be wrong in every possible dimension and that if we listen to them that we will be committing a world-historic evil.

[lurk2]

> In the 70s people were saying that we needed to commit brutal oppression against a large portion of the world based on geography in order to prevent future catastrophe.

What is this referring to?

[UncleMeat]

Erlich (and others) said that we needed to do the following

* programs of mass sterilization in the third world

* a "triage" program where we partition the third world into "savable" and "unsavable" zones, block all movement between these zones, and expel the unsavable zones from our world order such that they will simply all starve to death.

[api]

It was all very very racist.

I kinda think this answers the question as to why these ideas get a pass: they offer a way to be racist and advocate racist eugenics policies without admitting you are racist, even to yourself.

I see racism in the population collapse panic too unfortunately, at least in the popular discourse around it. Overpopulation was always about too many of the “wrong” people while underpopulation is about not enough of the “right” people.

[selimthegrim]

Paging rayiner: I believe his dad was involved in population planning for the Ford Foundation in BD.

[pearlsontheroad]

In the 70s, under IMF guidance, several governments of 3rd world countries implemented policies of mass sterilization.

[rendang]

Which people are saying we need to curtail womens' rights because of underpopulation?

[api]

It's a huge theme on the secular nationalist right. Visit Xhitter for 5 minutes.

[xp84]

This seems like a wild take. All that I see right wingers saying is that there are huge benefits to families when a mother doesn’t have to work, that we should not exclusively frame being a SAHM as some kind of brutal oppression, and that we should advance policies that make it easier for families to do that.

Is there some shitposting fringe that says dumb things like “abolish all BC”? Yes, just as there are matching “sOcIaLiSt” idiots who think that if we “just” confiscate all of Musk and Bezos’ net worth, it’ll pay off everyone’s student loans plus pay for UBI, free college in perpetuity, and buy all of Gen Z nice houses.