[cogman10]

Understandable.

Now, do you condemn the genocide? Because the problem here is that even though you've experienced a traumatic event, 1000s of Palestinians who never shot at or bombed your family are being shot at, bombed, and starved.

Do you acknowledge the Palestinian right to exist?

[halflife]

Of course I acknowledge their right to exist. I only wish it would be reciprocated, however, time and time again we were shown that this is not the case. Gaza was left alone on 2006, look what happened. They could’ve made an example of a prosperous territory and enabling trust. Instead they chose war death and terror.

I wish what happened wouldn’t have. On oct 7 and in Gaza. But people keep forgetting that we still have living hostages in tunnels under Gaza, and we can’t accept a militarized Gaza anymore.

For the last 2 years there are 2 principles that have not changed. Hamas should return the hostages and surrender its arms. The moment that happens the war is over. It could’ve happened 2 years ago and this thousands of deaths could’ve been avoided. But until that happens, the war continues.

So I don’t believe there’s genocide, as it precludes explicit desire. There’s war. And it will end the moment Hamas want it to.

[CapricornNoble]

>They could’ve made an example of a prosperous territory and enabling trust.

How do they create a prosperous territory? Israel destroyed Gaza's airport. Israel destroyed the foundations of Gaza's seaport. Israel maintains a maritime blockade of Gaza, so it's not like they can freely engage in trade with other sovereign territories. Israel maintains control over exploitation of Gaza's natural gas deposits.[1][2]

> But people keep forgetting that we still have living hostages in tunnels under Gaza, and we can’t accept a militarized Gaza anymore.

Even before Oct7, there were something like 350-500 Palestinians held in Israeli jails, charged with no crimes but indefinitely detained. They are functionally the same as hostages. Why should Gaza accept Israel holding hostages? Why should Palestine accept a militarized Israel? [3][4]

> Hamas should return the hostages and surrender its arms.

Israel should return its hostages and surrender its arms. And then the leadership should stand trial for genocide and crimes against humanity. We put some Hamas leaders on trial at the same time if you like, I'm fine with that, but the total disarmament of Israel and the prosecution of its leadership will likely be an overwhelming net good for the rest of humanity.

[1] https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/6/21/palestines-forg...

[2] https://mondoweiss.net/2019/10/the-gas-fields-off-gaza-a-gif...

[3] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2020/10/un-expert-ca...

[4] https://al-shabaka.org/briefs/the-prison-intifada-supporting...

[halflife]

How come Ramallah is thriving? There are shopping malls being built, luxury residences, trade. They don’t have an airport nor a seaport. And this is despite of the PA corruption (every Palestinian leader is a billionaire), imaging where Ramallah would be with a functioning government.