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by pona-a 319 days ago
You quoted the number but skipped the part where MacKellar says the whole premise relies on treating 3rd- and 4th-generation citizens as “not French.”

> While the ethnic demography of France has shifted as a result of post-WWII immigration, scholars have generally dismissed the claims of a "great replacement" as being rooted in an exaggeration of immigration statistics and unscientific, racially prejudiced views.[12] Geographer Landis MacKellar criticized Camus's thesis for assuming "that third- and fourth- generation 'immigrants' are somehow not French."[63] Researchers have variously estimated the Muslim population of France at between 8.8% and 12.5% in 2017, and less than 1% in 2001,[64][65] making a "replacement" unlikely according to MacKellar.[63]
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dijit 319 days ago
Feels weird to call them ethnically French, especially when the context being presented is religion.

The assumption being made is that they’ll ditch the religion after four generations? I don’t see data for that assumption, maybe it is not 100%, but its certainly not as low as 20% apostacy.

Thus I would take serious issue with that statement, it is evidence of an ethnic or religious replacement.

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pona-a 319 days ago
Religion isn’t ethnicity. Did England become less British after Catholics fell from a vast majority to ~10% post-Reformation?

And the actual numbers still don’t show a majority shift. Even if every Muslim in France kept their religion, they’d be ~10% of the population — far from "replacement".

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wagwang 318 days ago
The real comparison, which idk why you didnt make, is the islamic control of iberia, to which the answer is, YES!

Also anglicism is like, catholicism without a pope... also it was created by the king, not imported from another continent.

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dijit 319 days ago
Take that up with the author of the article.

Also, you missed the point entirely if the topic is “the population of x has gone from 1% to an estimated upper of 12.5% in 20 years” and your answer is “its below 10% right now”.

Not only are you potentially immediately wrong, since the number today could exceed 10%, it also doesn’t speak to how those demographics might be shaped by disparities in birthrates or continued migration.

But, you know that, you’re just trying to argue for some reason.

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dijit 319 days ago
funny, my votes went from +4 to -1 inside of 5 minutes despite this comment being at +4 for 11 hours.

Either that’s a strong coincidence or vote manipulation is rife here.

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