[pengaru]

It's not baffling once you realize TSMC is the main defining factor for all these chips, Apple Silicon is simply not that special in the grand scheme of things.

Why do you think TSMC's production being in Taiwan is basically a national security issue for the U.S. at this point?

[toasterlovin]

> Apple Silicon is simply not that special in the grand scheme of things

Apple Silicon might not be that special from an architecture perspective (although treating integrated GPUs as appropriate for workloads other than low end laptops was a break with industry trends), but it’s very special from an economic perspective. The Apple Silicon unit volumes from iPhones have financed TSMC’s rise to semiconductor process dominance and, it would appear, permanently dethroned Intel.

[MegaDeKay]

Apple was just the highest bidder for getting the latest TSMC process. They wouldn't have had a problem getting other customers to buy up that capacity. And Intel's missteps counted for a substantial part of the process dominance you refer to. So I'd argue that Apple isn't that special here either.

[toasterlovin]

Until Apple forced other chip makers to respond, nobody else was making high end phone processors. And their A series processors are competitive with and have transistor counts comparable to most mobile and desktop PC processors (and have for years). So the alternate reality where Apple isn't a TSMC customer means that TSMC is no longer manufacturing several hundred million high transistor count processors per year. In my opinion, it’s pretty likely TSMC isn’t able to achieve or maintain process dominance without that.

Update: To give an idea of the scales involved here, Apple had iPhone revenue in 2024 of about $200B. At an average selling price of $1k, we get 200 million units. Thats a ballpark estimate, they don’t release unit volumes, AFAIK. This link from IDC[1] has the global PC market in 2024 at about 267 million units. Apple also has iPads and Macs, so their unit processor volume is roughly comparable to the entire PC market. But, and this is hugely important: every single processor that Apple ships is comparable in performance (and, thus, transistor counts) to high end PC processors. So their transistor volume probably exceeds the entire PC CPU market. And the majority of it is fabbed on TSMC’s leading process node in any given year.

[1]: https://my.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS53061925

[fridder]

Exactly. This is why competition is good. Intel really didn't have a reason to push as hard.

[ozgrakkurt]

I don’t think there is a laptop that comes close to battery life or performance while on battery of m1 macbook pro

I hate apple but there is obviously something special about it

[alternatex]

I'm pretty sure many of the Windows laptops with the Qualcomm Snapdragon Elite chip have the same or better battery life and comparable performance in a similar form factor. There are many videos online of comparisons.