[uvdn7]

Is the non-trivial amount of time significantly less than you trying to ramp up yourself?

I am still hesitant using AI for solving problems for me. Either it hallucinates and misleads me. Or it does a great job and I worry that my ability of reasoning through complex problems with rigor will degenerate. When my ability of solving complex problems degenerated, patience diminished, attention span destroyed, I will become so reliant on a service that other entities own to perform in my daily life. Genuine question - are people comfortable with this?

[SkyPuncher]

The ramp-up time with AI is absolutely lower than trying to ramp up without AI.

My comment is specifically in contrast to working in a codebase where I'm at "max AI productivity". In a new codebase, it just takes a bit of time to work out kinks and figure out tendencies of the LLMs in those codebases. It's not that I'm slower than I'd be without AI, I'm just not at my "usual" AI-driven productivity levels.

[theshrike79]

Don't use it as a solution machine.

You use it when you know how to do something and know exactly what the solution looks like, but can't be arsed to do it. Like most UI work where you just want something in there with the basic framework to update content etc. There's nothing challenging in doing it, you know what has to be done, but figuring out the weird-ass React footguns takes time. Most LLMs can one-shot it with enough information.

You can also use it as a rubber duck, ask it to analyse some code, read and see if you agree. Ask for improvements or modifications, read and see if you agree.

[hiAndrewQuinn]

>Genuine question - are people comfortable with this?

It's a question of degree, but in general, yeah. I'm totally comfortable being reliant on other entities to solve complex problems for me.

That's how economies work [1]. I neither have nor want to acquire the lifetime of experience I would need to learn how to produce the tea leaves in my tea, or the clean potable water in it, or the mug they are contained within, or the concrete walls 50 meters up from ground level I am surrounded by, or so on and so forth. I can live a better life by outsourcing the need for this specialized knowledge to other people, and trade with them in exchange for my own increasingly-specialized knowledge. Even if I had 100 lifetimes to spend, and not the 1 I actually have, I would probably want to put most of them to things that, you know, aren't already solved-enough problems.

Everyone doing anything interesting works like this, with vanishingly few exceptions. My dad doesn't need to know how to do algebra to get his taxes done, he just has an accountant. And his accountant doesn't need to know how to rewire his turn of the century New England home. And if you look at the exceptions, like that really cute 'self sufficient' family who uploads weekly YouTube videos called "Our Homestead Life"... It often turns out that the revenue from that YouTube stream is nontrivial to keeping the whole operation running. In other words, even if they genuinely no longer go to Costco, it's kind of a gyp.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67tHtpac5ws

[misja111]

> My dad doesn't need to know how to do algebra to get his taxes done, he just has an accountant.

This is not quite the same thing. The AI is not perfect, it frequently makes mistakes or suboptimal code. As a software engineer, you are responsible for finding and fixing those. This means you have to review and fully understand everything that the AI has written.

Quite a different situation than your dad and his accountant.

[hiAndrewQuinn]

I see your point. I don't think it's different in kind, just degree. My thought process: First, is my dad's accountant infallible?

If not, then they must themselves make mistakes or do things suboptimally sometimes. Whose responsibility is that - my dad, or my dad's accountant?

If it is my dad, does that then mean my dad has an obligation to review and fully understand everything the accountant has written?

And do we have to generalize that responsibility to everything and everyone my dad has to hand off work to in order to get something done? Clearly not, that's absurd. So where do we draw the line? You draw it in the same place I do for right now, but I don't see why we expect that line to be static.

[deserteagle_pwn]

Well. Not really. You're still liable for your own tax return or the IRS will fry your ass. Kinda' the same TBF.

[johnisgood]

> This means you have to review and fully understand everything that the AI has written.

Yes, and people who care and is knowledgeable do this already. I do this, for one.

[skajzbxbbj]

But there’s no way one is giving as thorough a review as if one had written code to solve the problem themselves. Writing is understanding. You’re trading thoroughness and integrity for chance.

Writing code should never have been a bottle neck. And since it wasn’t, any massive gains are due to being ok with trusting the AI.

[r_lee]

I would honestly say, it's more like autocomplete on steroids, like you know what you want so you just don't wanna type it out (e.g. scripts and such)

And so if you don't use it then someone else will... But as for the models, we already have some pretty good open source ones like Qwen and it'll only get better from here so I'm not sure why the last part would be a dealbreaker