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by mindslight 312 days ago
I think you're assuming a lot to call it a "good outcome". I foresee hefty regulatory capture and compensation deals made with the big copyright businesses, but no real increase in freedoms for individuals.
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That would be the outcome of the Torment Nexus succeeding at kneecapping the first thing in decades with any hope of destroying it, not the outcome of the thing in question succeeding at destroying the Torment Nexus.
I don't really understand what you mean here, because I don't really know what you specifically mean by Torment Nexus. It wasn't bad for a rhetorical technique of pointing out the incentive-attractor(s) that we're already suffering (Mammon, the orphan grinder, etc), but the term doesn't really work for analyzing technicals unless you spell it out.

In general, now that the pump has been fully primed for capital to flow into developing "AI", I do not see how copyright law is going to make much of a dent in that trend. Nor do I see how "AI" companies are going to make a dent in copyright law for anyone but themselves. I foresee large "AI" companies being essentially unbound on training over small-owner copyrighted works, upstart "AI" companies needing to pay into a hefty protection racket, and individuals still bound by imaginary property laws whether directly (old fashioned piracy) or when using common genAI (sorry Dave, I can't do that).

I just ran into a situation where ChatGPT refused to quote me the relevant bit of the electrical code for my state (supposedly binding law), because those laws were created by wholesale importing the "National Electrical Code" which is copyrighted. At best, the situation is an open legal question. And yet de facto there is still a restriction that prevents me from using the tool to engage with the law in good faith.

> I don't really understand what you mean here, because I don't really know what you specifically mean by Torment Nexus.

I thought I made that pretty clear when I wrote in my original comment that "[i]ntellectual property and the enforcement thereof is in and of itself a Torment Nexus."

> In general, now that the pump has been fully primed for capital to flow into developing "AI", I do not see how copyright law is going to make much of a dent in that trend. Nor do I see how "AI" companies are going to make a dent in copyright law for anyone but themselves.

"AI" exists outside of the various corporations hosting LLMs on The Cloud™. The corporate-hosted LLMs get undue emphasis largely as yet another result of the Torment Nexus that is intellectual property.

> [i]ntellectual property and the enforcement thereof is in and of itself a Torment Nexus.

That does not make it clear. Saying that A is an instance of B does not define what B is.

> "AI" exists outside of the various corporations hosting LLMs on The Cloud™

You're speaking obliquely here, so I'm left guessing what you mean. I think you're just referring to how individuals can train/download/modify/run models locally. I don't see how that affects copyright, as it seems to fit in the same exact place as piracy of the source material (unfortunately). Downloading a model that has gotten the attention of corpos for "infringing" will be treated exactly how torrenting original works is now.