[brentm]

Without IP though you lose incentive to invest in new stuff. IP is made up just like saying murder is made up. Both are just concepts but necessary concepts to keep society on track.

That being said, I don't know if I agree that the AI companies are violating IP rights.

[jart]

Without IP, information becomes controlled by centralized online services with DRM which show ads, meter access, monitor your activity, make specializations, and can take it all away at any time. That's the system we ended up with, after humanity failed to voluntarily respect IP holders rights under the old system that let you buy/own content. Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite.

[lcnPylGDnU4H9OF]

This doesn't make sense. The mechanism by which "information becomes controlled by centralized online services with DRM" is copyright law. Without copyright law, "DRM" wouldn't be a thing. Without some concept of "intellectual property", there is nothing for copyright law to protect.

[jart]

My point is you don't need the legal concept of intellectual property if you can't access the information. For example, people tried to sell software. But consumers didn't respect software IP and just pirated it. If IP isn't respected and isn't feasible to enforce, then it de facto doesn't exist. So now software developers run the software as a service and only allow you to interact with it through a web browser. Since copyright laws were effectively worthless to protecting developer interests, developers found a solution to commercialization that didn't require copying the software.

[lcnPylGDnU4H9OF]

Right, I misunderstood. Thanks for the additional clarification.