[CalRobert]

If European leadership has even half a brain cell this could be the catalyst for enormous growth in European science. But they’d need to act fast.

[layer8]

They have already been acting: https://www.daad-brussels.eu/en/2025/05/26/choose-europe-a-n...

https://euraxess.ec.europa.eu/jobs#european-funding-initiati...

[remify]

The EU don't act fast. It act slow and steady, it's not perfect but it sure is better then whatever is happnening the other side of the Atlantic.

[Yizahi]

It is easier for politicians to do nothing, safer and ensures future election win. If someone would say anything serious about inviting those scientists, then his opponents would immediately capitalize on this by shouting from every paid tiktok shill, how he is taking European's jobs and inviting bad immigrants.

[jimt1234]

China enters the chat.

[CalRobert]

True, they won’t pay PhD’s €28,000 a year either.

[seanmcdirmid]

China is a pretty good place to be a scientists in certain fields. The pay is very competitive.

[CalRobert]

Yeah, I think what’s concerning is that it wasn’t obvious I meant 28k is obscenely low.

[v5v3]

Then why are all the Chinese origin AI Devs working in USA?

[llm_nerd]

China has an enormous and rapidly growing AI space. I would argue growing much, much faster than the US space where in a lot of cases the hustle has replaced the engineering (see: OpenAI).

No, they aren't all working in the USA, and in many cases those that were are leaving the US and moving back to China.

[seanmcdirmid]

You only see the ones working in the USA and not the ones working in China. The USA still pays better than China, and has more stomach for immigration (for now…Trump is working on making that worse), but when I was working in Beijing a lot of engineers from Japan, Korea, Taiwan, were there specifically for the higher pay.

[CalRobert]

Because you can make insane amounts of money?

[v5v3]

DeepSeek and Qwen would pay as much wouldn't they? With the blessings of the state as AI is strategic

[nixass]

Not until decision makers in Germany exchange ideas through fax machines first

[whazor]

There are luckily other countries in EU outside of Germany.

[CalRobert]

Well it’s an upgrade on chiseling out woodcuts at least.

[nikanj]

EU will not act on this unless the bill also includes provisions to support hobby horse manufacturing in eastern romania

[random3]

You seem to be frustrated about Romania (which has an east but not a formal eastern region designation as in Eastern Europe - are you conflating the two?) - but can you elaborate on your frustration?

[nikanj]

EU never manages to act under reasonable timelines, because every bill is an opportunity for some pork on the side.

[random3]

perhaps you're not familiar with (budget) Earmarks (e.g. in the US Congress)— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earmark_(politics)