[jamesrcole]

> Sure the initial set up is difficult. But once it's done, it's done

Are you trying to argue that it could not be made quicker and easier, and that there'd be no benefit to making it quicker and easier?

I think Vim is great and if, as seems the case, a lot of people are put off it because of the large amounts of up-front effort it requires, then anything which helps lessen that initial effort is a good thing in my books.

I think it's a shame that there's often a kinda moralising attitude towards this issue - as if the present level of up-front effort is how things should be, and if, for whatever reason, you aren't prepared to put up with it, then they're not a "Vim person".

[johncoltrane]

Why should I care how many people switch to Vim? Or that some people are put off by the up-front effort you speak off?

Switching from a modern GUI editor to another is easy because they are all more or less the same. Switching from a modern GUI editor to Vim is hard because they are fundamentally different. Why even trying to switch if one doesn't recognize the need to put some effort into it?

[jamesrcole]

> Why should I care how many people switch to Vim?

That's up to you.

I think Vim is more productive, and I'd like to see more people getting that benefit from it.

[johncoltrane]

I think that Vim is more productive too but that's only my opinion and I have no desire to force this opinion on anybody else. If a non-Vimmer is curious I'll happily answer is questions and give her pointers but I'll certainly not be proactive about it. I have no stake in this.