[kelseyfrog]

I don't disagree that being novel has it's place in framing art, and I still believe that a Fountain Factory could certainly be framed as art.

To your other point, sorry, but artistic/aesthetic essentialism hasn't been serious position for at least a hundred years.

As long as there is a perceiver, there is a frame.

The idea that nature is intrinsically beautiful is a frame. It's fine to hold that but it shouldn't be confused with not having a frame.

[recursive]

There's a difference between a factory that is art vs a factory that produces art.

There's only one factory, and the concept works only once.

[kelseyfrog]

Mass-produced art is still art as long as people frame it as such and all indication suggests that they do.

[recursive]

I have some mass-produced art on my wall. But it's definitely not conceptual art, as some ancestor post was discussing.