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by tedivm 312 days ago
Qwen3 has multiple variants ranging from larger (230B) than these models to significantly smaller (0.6b), with a huge number of options in between. For each of those models they also release quantized versions (your "fewer bits per parameter).

I'm still withholding judgement until I see benchmarks, but every point you tried to make regarding model size and parameter size is wrong. Qwen has more variety on every level, and performs extremely well. That's before getting into the MoE variants of the models.
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modeless 312 days ago
The benchmarks of the OpenAI models are comparable to the largest variants of other open models. The smaller variants of other open models are much worse.
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mrbungie 312 days ago
I would wait for neutral benchmarks before making any conclusions.
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bigyabai 312 days ago
With all due respect, you need to actually test out Qwen3 2507 or GLM 4.5 before making these sorts of claims. Both of them are comparable to OpenAI's largest models and even bench favorably to Deepseek and Opus: https://cdn-uploads.huggingface.co/production/uploads/62430a...

It's cool to see OpenAI throw their hat in the ring, but you're smoking straight hopium if you think there's "no reason to run other open source models now" in earnest. If OpenAI never released these models, the state-of-the-art would not look significantly different for local LLMs. This is almost a nothingburger if not for the simple novelty of OpenAI releasing an Open AI for once in their life.

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modeless 312 days ago
> Both of them are comparable to OpenAI's largest models and even bench favorably to Deepseek and Opus

So are/do the new OpenAI models, except they're much smaller.

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UrineSqueegee 312 days ago
I'd really wait for additional neutral benchmarks, I asked the 20b model on low reasoning effort which number is larger 9.9 or 9.11 and it got it wrong.

Qwen-0.6b gets it right.

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bigyabai 312 days ago
According to the early benchmarks, it's looking like you're just flat-out wrong: https://blog.brokk.ai/a-first-look-at-gpt-oss-120bs-coding-a...
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nialv7 311 days ago
Looks OpenAI's first mover advantages are still alive and well
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