[saghm]

It sounds like the difference of opinion here is around how soon we expect that the major compilers will actually implement the safe features. I tend not to be optimistic that these sorts of changes will be available anytime soon, and I think it would be fair to consider alternatives at this point, but that's obviously a judgment call and not everyone will agree on that.

[aw1621107]

As far as Safe C++ vs. profiles specifically, I don't think the conversation really ever got to the point of serious discussions of how soon the features could be implemented. My understanding is that there were bigger hangups about what direction to go in the first place as well as what "profiles" even meant.

> and I think it would be fair to consider alternatives at this point

I would assume those who could consider alternatives already have, and that those (still) interested in safe(r) C++ do so because the alternatives are insufficient for one reason or another.