[laughingcurve]

Genuinely many times it seems most people need to find reasons to assume the best about DeepSeek and China in order to confirm their prior bias that “America bad” and “Capital is evil”. The reality is grey and fuzzy, with neither side landing on truth yet

[cma]

How would people use deepseek to think "Capital is evil?" It was from a private hedge fund named "High Flyer," not a state university project or something.

[laughingcurve]

Yes, exactly. How the heck? It makes no sense to me either, but you can certainly find plenty of laymen/not-in-the-know folks making those kinds of comments, often in non-technical spaces. Often the worst parts of the internet where discourse is non-existent. Human psychology allows for us to hold many contradictory positions all at once. Ideologies are the lens through which we view the world and it distorts our perception.

[cma]

Usually what I see is not that, but that Deepseek stole from American capital by training on the O1 release to acheive chain of thought, but there is a contradiction because o1 at the time didn't show its real chain of thought to train on.