[nurettin]

I remember on february Deepseek's <think> caused a moderately sized market crash. They didn't just go silent, almost every vendor implemented their own version of thinking models while blaming Deepseek for stealing their tech/training on their models. It was rather pathetic to watch.

[laughingcurve]

OAI and others were already on their way there or released the models. How did you manage to convince yourself that High Flyer did it first ? And that everyone else copied from them post-hoc? You’ve created a new chain of causality that simply does not match neutral reality

[nurettin]

Yeah I confess I rewrote history and crashed the stock market. Then ran out of juice just as I was about to kill Hitler.

[laughingcurve]

Do not try to signal intelligence by being sardonic or intentionally being obtuse. Actively avoiding the point someone is making rather than confronting it head on is beneath you.

ChatGPT o1 was made generally available in December 2024 DeepSeek r1 open weights were released in January 2025

[nurettin]

My response wasn't intended to signal my intelligence as much as to show the overall lack of serious thought in your reply since you seem to be ignoring the fact that there was a 15%+ overall drop in the stock market, much higher in tech sector. But let's spell it out for you:

o-1 was mimicking the newest "explain your solution step by step" prompts which were proven to be more effective at the time.

ds-v1 came up with an actual chain of thought, imitating meandering and self doubt which sometimes went on for a while creating entertaining loops and introducing a new class of halting problem and this became the de-facto standard. They also revolutionized the industry by programming cards directly via PTX.

Then all of huggingface implemented the paper and we got q4 versions that "thought".

Hope that jolted your memory without killing Hitler.