[brandall10]

Claude Code does not have a daily limit, it has 5 hour windows that reset. On the $100 plan it's pretty hard to hit a window limit w/ Sonnet unless you're using multiple/subagents. The $200 is better suited to those who do that or want to use a significant amount of Opus.

Also the weekly limit selling point is silly - it almost certainly only impacts those who are abusing, ie. running 24/7.

[b2m9]

At this point I'm afraid to ask, but I will do I anyways:

How do Claude's rate limits actually work?

I'm not a Pro/Max5/Max20 subscriber, only light API usage for Anthropic - so it's likely that I don't really understand the limits there.

For example, community reports that Anthropic's message limit for Max 5 translates to roughly 88k token per 5-hour window (there's variance, but it's somewhere in this 80-120k ballpark based on system load; also assuming Sonnet, not Opus). A normal user probably won't consume more than 250k token per day with this subscription. That's like 5M token for a month of 20 active days - which doesn't justify the 100 USD subscription cost. This also doesn't square with Anthropic's statement that users can consume 10000+ USD of usage on the Max 20 tier.

I'm clearly misunderstanding Claude's rate limits here. Can someone enlighten me? Is the 5-hour window somehow per task/instance and not per account?

[ixel]

With Anthropic's Claude subscriptions - while many people appear to use tokens as an idea of the usage limit, I doubt that's what is really used by Anthropic. Why do I say this? Well, there are multiple models, Haiku, Sonnet and Opus, we all know that Opus is the most expensive and burns through the usage limit of the subscription the fastest of all. I'd theorise that Anthropic have some kind of internal credit value (perhaps as simple as $ USD) which they allocate with some variance based on things like overall system load.

Anyway, my personal experience on Max 20x is that, with Opus at least, on a busy day in the past I can burn through between 150 to 200 million tokens in a day using Claude Code for development stuff. Split that up into 5 hour windows, and assume I'm possibly using 2 or 3 windows in a day, that still works out to a lot of tokens, well into the millions. So, the 88k tokens per 5-hour window on Max 5x, I'm not sure if it's really as small as that. Maybe the apparent reductions recently in usage limits have made it drop to around that ballpark. Originally I saw Max 5x as a heavy usage Sonnet plan, with Max 20x being a heavy usage Opus plan, however with the new and additional weekly usage limit happening on August 28th I think I'd see the plans as potentially moderate to heavy usage Sonnet for Max 5x, and heavy usage Sonnet with multiple concurrent agents for Max 20x.

TLDR: I strongly imagine that Claude subscription usage limits are based on some kind of internal credit value, perhaps $ USD, not specifically tokens, and depending which model you use is how fast this "credit" will be depleted.

The usage limits are currently for an account, based on a 5-hour window, from the first message that was sent in a new 5-hour window. From August 28th there's an additional weekly limit which looks like it will primarily make Opus usage restricted.

[brandall10]

It's probably best to look at it as credit based, which map to a certain scale of particular tokens (ie. an Opus token takes 5x the credits of a Sonnet token).

[asaddhamani]

Claude now does have a weekly limit so if you are able to hit your weekly (undisclosed, dynamic) limit in 2 days, you're unable to use the services for the next 5 days. That is what Cerebras is referencing with no weekly limits. Claude has session count limits, dynamic limits within each session, and now weekly limits on top of all that.

[brandall10]

Please read my full comment.

Cerebras is jumping on a marketing faux-pas by Anthropic. I say this for the point you bring up about monthly session limits - no one on the Claude subreddit has yet to report being hit by this despite many going way over that. These are checks to deal w/ abusive accounts.

[d3vr]

> no one on the Claude subreddit has yet to report being hit by this despite many going way over that

Because it hasn't gone into effect yet: "From August 28, we’ll introduce new weekly limits that’ll mitigate these problems while impacting as few customers as possible." [0]

[0] https://xcancel.com/AnthropicAI/status/1949898514844307953#m

[brandall10]

I already explained why it's not a legitimate market differentiation.