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by smokeyj 5029 days ago
> My point is that it's usually down to the ISP or whoever provides to router to make it secure.

Which ISP configures wifi routers? And I always see unsecured connections from default routers. Don't tell me you're never connected to the unsecured "Linksys" network..
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jiggy2011 5029 days ago
Most ISPs in the UK do. Personally I use my own router but I have helped friends set up their connections.

Usually what happens is that they send a box with a router + modem + filters etc and instructions as to how to plug it all together.

They also give you a piece of paper telling you the SSID and key with strict instructions not to tell it to anybody.

I imagine the router also calls home at a regular interval and downloads updates automatically, so if there is a security issue it should be rectified relatively quickly.

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dmoo 5029 days ago
Eircom, the largest teleco in Ireland shipped routers for ages where the wep key was easily derived from the ssid. There are 3 of these on the street where I live.
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smokeyj 5029 days ago
Is it a crime to plug in a default router in the UK?
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jiggy2011 5029 days ago
Not sure what is meant by a "default router". AFAIK you can plug in any router you like without committing a crime, but if somebody believes that they suffered as a result of you choosing an unsecured router they might have grounds to take a civil case against you.

As far as I can tell in my googling none of these negligence claims so far have been successful but there has been no clear judgement on this matter to be sure one way or another what might happen in future cases. Also bare in mind that these judgements might differ between jurisdictions.

I simply think that saying "open up your wifi, now you're no longer liable for anything that happens on your internet connection!" is very dangerous advice to be spreading.

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smokeyj 5029 days ago
> Not sure what is meant by a "default router".

Default settings. Many wifi routers work just by plugging in ethernet.

> I simply think that saying "open up your wifi

I'm not suggesting anything besides grandma isn't her IP. I don't see why that's confusing.

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petitmiam 5029 days ago
This is the same in Australia. I went round to a friends house to help secure their router, only to find it was already done by default.
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