[akavi]

Is there any evidence that _8_ years of post-secondary education (plus 3-7 years of residency at poverty wages) actually improves medical outcomes?

5 years could be plenty?

[tptacek]

NPs are supervised, as are doctors on rotation, so it's 7 years before clinical practice for a doctor.

[FireBeyond]

PAs might love to hear about that, since they’ve been lobbying about supervision.

Dozens (I gave up counting) of states have absolutely no supervision for NPs: https://www.aafp.org/family-physician/practice-and-career/ma... - they have full autonomy as providers.

[tptacek]

Good! More should.