[tguvot]

you need to improve your vibe quoting. article talks about 13,000 wounded, not 130,000. iirc, been impacted by tear gas is also "wounded".

but back to the point.

- do you still claim that it was "peaceful march of return" ?

- where do you think the "return" part of the march were leading and what would have happened there ? (just in case, in UN report on Oct 7 documented that in most of places civilians followed armed members of hamas/pij/pflp/etc and engaged in looting, killing (famously thai workers that their heads were chopped off by unarmed civilians with help of hoe) and kidnapping (later sold to hamas/etc)

[cess11]

Afterwards IDF soldiers bragged in the media about deliberately mutilating peaceful protestors.

Here's a clarifying table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%932019_Gaza_border_...

As you can see it does not include "impacted by tear gas", but a thousand palestinians were harmed by having tear gas canisters shot at them. More than six thousand were maimed by gun fire, and as the numbers show, it was deliberate policy to harm rather than kill.

In comparison, as a measure of the supposed militancy from the palestinians, five israelis were injured and none were killed.

Palestinian refugees have a right to return to their land and homes. That's what the march was about.

[tguvot]

so they tried to breach border en masse, while having armed people among them and got shot only in knees ? sounds like a good outcome for them.

israeli citizens didn't have such a good outcome at oct 7 when great march of return succeeded to breach border.

and you seems to be angry that they were harmed and not killed. i am confused here.

now, you surely know that between 1945 and 1950 about 12m to 14.6m ethnic germans were ethnically cleansed (500k to 2.5m dead in process) from eastern europe and some land annexed.

do you support their right to march back and reclaim their land and homes ?

[cultofmetatron]

> and got shot only in knees ? sounds like a good outcome for them.

please go on

> do you support their right to march back and reclaim their land and homes ?

considering that they were kicked out by violence in 1948, likud terrorists mass killed entire villages of Palestinians in order to force the rest to flee.

Israelis then forced them to live in an apartheid state

I certainly do support their right of return. Israel has committed multiple oct 7 level atrocities against Palestinians over the last few decades while sweeping them under the rug.

edit: are the descendants of those germans being systematically oppressed with no rights and living under military occupation? if not, whats stopping them from returning currently?

[tguvot]

I am taking about right of return for 12m displaced Germans.

Do you support it and them marching to reclaim their land and homes?

[cess11]

They're referring to this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germ...

I.e. the allies forcing germans in the east to go west and leave the nazi colonial project behind. It was arguably atrocious. It is also irrelevant since the territories involved reside within the EU and there is nothing in the way for these people or their descendants relocating back to Poland or whatever.

Which I suspect will be quite popular in the future, given that Poland's economy is doing rather well and Germany's is likely to not do rather well.

[tguvot]

not colonial project, but 12m ethnic germans that lived in german territories that were annexed or in other areas in europe (because they lived there for centuries).

>>>

During the later stages of World War II and the post-war period, Reichsdeutsche (German citizens) and Volksdeutsche (ethnic Germans living outside the Nazi state) fled and were expelled from various Eastern and Central European countries, including Czechoslovakia, and from the former German provinces of Lower and Upper Silesia, East Prussia, and the eastern parts of Brandenburg (Neumark) and Pomerania (Farther Pomerania), which were annexed by Provisional Government of National Unity of Poland and by the Soviet Union.

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will you support them marching back to reclaim their lands and homes, while been peacefully armed (like palestinians) with molotov cocktails, ak47 and grenades ? do you support their right of return ?

[cess11]

They held peaceful demonstrations by the border and got systematically mutilated for it. This is evidence that peaceful struggle is not an option when it comes to ending israeli crimes.

What's your skin in this game? Why are you defending a deeply criminal state?

[tguvot]

day 1 of peaceful march of return:

Hundreds of young Palestinians, however, ignored warnings by the organizers and the Israeli military to avoid the border zone.[74] Some began throwing stones and Molotov cocktails, to which Israel responded by declaring the Gaza border zone a closed military zone and opening fire at them.[55] The events of the day were some of the most violent in recent years.[75] In one incident, two Palestinian gunmen approached the fence, armed with AK-47 assault rifles and hand grenades, and exchanged fire with IDF soldiers. They were killed and their bodies were recovered by the IDF.

[cess11]

Yes, that is quite peaceful given the circumstances and that thirty thousand people participated. The IDF should have retreated and the israeli government have ended the occupations and started dismantling its colonies in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, then entered negotiations about return and reparations.

To get a feel for how the IDF perceives the Gaza strip border one can watch https://xcancel.com/Timesofgaza/status/1950748519796797515#m or some of the material collected by https://xcancel.com/ytirawi.

[tguvot]

well, in this case, idf reaction was quite peaceful given the circumstances and that thirty thousand people participated and tried to overrun the border while been armed