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by echelon 318 days ago
It won't just be figma. The market is already filling up with lots of players in this space.

There may be no moats. Just distribution winners.

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Never underestimate the power of market share. Adobe has had a bunch of competitors but still dominates design.
Speaking of Adobe!

Adobe is going to get absolutely trounced by GenAI. They've got so many competitors coming at them from all angles.

Also, innovation capital (engineers at startups) experience outsized rewards at startups when disruption happens. The better engineers will flock to more nimble outfits and reap the benefits.

Adobe is a dinosaur.

Adobe has been thinking about GenAI longer than you probably have (probably added because this is HN and you never know).

I got to talk to a product engineer about some of their work back in 2021, and he was describing generative (and even generative-editive) capabilities they had in hand that most associate with the last two years, they were just figuring out how to productize them, many of which they have.

I have my own complaints about Adobe products and choices but they are far from out of the game, and they’re probably going to be fine, especially if a lot of people make the mistake of thinking of them primarily as a dinosaur Figma competitor.

Content-aware fill was introduced in 2010
Adobe has SOOO much money though that it will take a giant force to unseat them. Not to say we shouldn’t keep trying (I love Krita) but they have made sure they’re on the top of the totem pole. Complete with spyware on every designers computer.
This. I heard "gimp is free and will kill Adobe within a year or two" from 1997 or so. As much as I hate Adobe's methods it still wins hands down in UX for image editing. So, as a hobbyist, I have no plans to cancel my subscription.

I wish for some real competition in this space, but it will take a LOT of effort to dethrone Adobe. My 2c.

Gimp is an awful app with terrible UX.

Adobe has RunwayML, Midjourney, and a hundred other startups chasing after them.

The number of things you can do without Adobe is increasing every day.

> Gimp is an awful app with terrible UX.

Yes, and it's not clear that those startups will fare better than gimp.

Adobe spends inordinate amount of effort to understand the problems that users are solving and make UX that users love. As the result Adobe has tons of money to improve the product. Users curse its business practices, white an occasional "goodbye Adobe" or "FU" messages but keep buying subscriptions.

The moat around this should not be underestimated. My 2c.

adobe moat is complex desktop software

Figma is a whole lot easier to replace actually you can now actually with a self host OSS that came up with and bring your own api key from antrophic or open ai

While technically, Figma is just a web app tool. Replacing it would be hard. It has a ton of features, it’s well designed, it exports working wireframe mock ups you can use to demonstrate functionality. It’s good software.
Yeah but a lot less complex than adobe suite
Which complexity in general is not a feature, but a mere bug.
You only says this because you are web(only) dev

*acting like web world is not broken half the time

What kind of a moat is that? Who says "I want complex desktop software!" ?
entire design industry???? like are you sure that there are people out there works using photoshops,premier,illustrator etc that want more complex tool set???

are you sure that these people don't exist???

talk about arrogant

Not a single person wants more complex tools. They want more capable tools maybe but never ever a more complex on. What is the benefit of increasing complexity except to show off?

Are you in design? How does increasing complexity benefit you personally?

Yes because their job need it, same reason why all javascript library rewrite themselves into Go,Rust,Zig etc

what else do you think they do that ????

and Yes I do design, not only just operate but learn money with it professionally

> It won't just be figma. The market is already filling up with lots of players in this space.

MongoDB wants a word.. another "this will never amount to anything" HN special.