[taeric]

An annoying part is that this is a bit causative. They were so indoctrinated in the fear of how much this was happening before, that they convinced themselves it was normal and required.

That is, allowing it to become a normative conversation with no pushback that "government is bad" is a large part of how we got here.

[vpribish]

Bad people think others are also bad.

[taeric]

And otherwise good people can be convinced that bad things are necessary.

Yes, every now and then an ridiculously shameless person will emerge. No, that isn't everyone.