[skeezyboy]

> unsustainable and unethical practices are the norm in late stage capitalism. thats just people. the economic system is about money, "ethics" are a social thing. you can have a utopia with or without capitalism.

[rightbyte]

Well you need some kind of incentive to not put "ethical" business out of business due to a race to the bottom.

[skeezyboy]

yeah, essentially death or chastisement, capital punishment or arrest. its all weve ever had, and ever will have.