[HellDunkel]

If art is communication- and i believe it is- why would i want to read or listen to anything AI generated? Once you are done with consuption there is no point in reflecting on it nor having a conversation about it with other fellow humans. People are not even interested in each others dreams most of the time. Unless the machine is of godlike intelligence there is just zero point.

[sunrunner]

> Once you are done with consuption there is no point in reflecting on it nor having a conversation about it with other fellow humans.

If you believe that art is communication (and I do) why _wouldn't_ you want to reflect on it or discuss it post 'consumption'?

[HelloMcFly]

Machine-generated content isn't "art" because there isn't intention or a point of view, it's just audio/visual stimuli. It doesn't mean it can never be interesting, it doesn't mean it can't even be beautiful. But it's not art, not to me.

That said, I can readily acknowledge that artists can use AI as a tool in the creation of their art. I don't have a philosophical or intellectual problem with viewing AI as a tool and believing it can be a powerful aid in the creation of POV-driven art.

But there is a line somewhere between "no AI" and "entirely AI" that turns it from art to stimuli. I can't define it exactly, and even if I could, knowing that a particular work was partially created by AI creates a requirement that I trust the creator that the bulk of what I'm engaging with is from them, not the machine. And it's very difficult for me to make that leap of trust.

[HellDunkel]

Because there is no point. If the author is a stochastic people machine it is simply not interesting to reflect on it. The fact people make artefacts turns them into art. A stone is not a work of art without some human doing something with it.

You may argue that stones can be interesting without beeing works of art. But the generator above takes works of art as input and somehow takes the art out if it to some degree.

[csallen]

You're making a false assumption that other people cannot enjoy what you're talking about unless they've experienced it themselves. If one has good storytelling skills and a solid theory of mind (concern for the listener), almost anything can be interesting. Even dreams.

I also disagree with your conclusion that an activity only has a point if discussed with others. A good deal of the best experiences in my life are things that were for my benefit alone, that I never thought to share with anyone else. And I'm a pretty social guy.

[HellDunkel]

I neither made this assumption nor the conclusion.

[csallen]

Then what is your goal in pointing out, "People are not even interested in each others dreams most of the time"?

[HellDunkel]

The point is that we as hunan beeings have quite some elaborate filters to pick interesting things among hunan artefacts. If those are not conciously fabricated by others (i.e.: dreams, ai gen, anything random or auto generated) we tend to loose interest quickly.