[ecb_penguin]

> It's the failure of CS programs that is causing job market issues for college graduates.

Definitely not. These failures have existed for decades. But it ultimately doesn't matter. You have the capacity to learn or you don't. CS programs are a waste of time, sure, but they have nothing to do with the job market.

I'd go so far as to say your comment is a perfect example of the problem. "kubectl" doesn't mean jack shit to being a good engineer. It's a technology we will use for a few years and then move onto something else.

Absolutely nobody is cutting junior positions because they don't know "kubectl"

The problem is developers are now DevOps, QA, PMs, Customer Support, and everything else.

[brokencode]

CS programs teach fundamentals, though not necessarily the most popular tools in the industry. Those skills help regardless of whatever specific tools you end up using. I don’t think it’s a waste of time.

[teaearlgraycold]

> The problem is developers are now DevOps, QA, PMs, Customer Support, and everything else.

As long as the hour expectations are reasonable I actually like this. This teaches you so many more skills than being pigeon-holed into software engineering. Granted, I like the idea of one day founding a business so I may need to be able to do all of these rolls some day.

[thunky]

> "kubectl" doesn't mean jack shit

I think you may be taking the parent comment too literally. Kubectl itself doesn't matter, replace it with anything you want - it represents the lack of the graduates ability to do anything useful in the real world.

Is doesn't make much sense to spend four years preparing for a job (market) and be completely unprepared at the end of it.

[scarface_74]

Well being a good engineer doesn’t mean “Jack shit” if you’re homeless and hungry because no one will hire you to exchange money for labor to support your addictions to food and shelter.

If I have to explain everything in detail and check behind your work as a junior dev snd wait for you to get up to speed, I might as well just use ChatGPT.

If I do need a perdón, why would I hire a junior engineer when I can just recruit an underpaid mid level developer more whose already proven himself and gotten up to speed especially if I can hire someone cheaply living in MiddleOfNowhere Nebraska who is willing to work for less than I made over a decade ago?