[supplied_demand]

I remember a lot of people predicting it would lead to this from the start. The response was often along the lines of “If you don’t support Israel’s invasion, you are pro-Hamas.”

If those people had a come-to-Jesus moment, great. That said, they probably owe an apology to the people they demonized as supporting terrorism.

[pegasus]

How about this response: "Denying Israel the right to protect themselves can't help but strengthen Hamas and won't bring anything other than more suffering to all parties. Israel will do what they need to do, all we can do is hope they will stop short of sinking to the same levels as Oct 7 perpetrators, even though historically it's unlikely, and even though Israel being dragged deeper into that murderous rage pit is exactly what Hamas aims for."

[supplied_demand]

I don’t recall many people denying Israel’s right to protect themselves against Hamas (I’m sure some did). The concern was them using it as an excuse to perpetrate the Palestinian genocide they wanted all along. That is what we now see. Your comment seems to use the familiar playbook of equating Palestinians and Hamas to muddy the waters.

It is a pretty clear echo of the US’s response to 9/11. People were considered traitors if they didn’t support a full military invasion and occupation. In the end, that was clearly the wrong move.

[pegasus]

Why not go the extra step and accuse Israel of false-flagging Oct 7th attacks themselves? It's a widely encountered trope and by now a lot of supporting evidence has been "unearthed". That would make you feel even more righteous in your separation of the good from the evil. And wouldn't that feel sweet?

After all, your magic mirror tells you what "they" wanted all along. The biggest proof? The fact that the IDF would always announce in before when they would make a strike. The fact that they did this proves that they were pretending that they don't want to make more victims than necessary among the Palestinians. Which shows that they were trying to hide something else - that they wanted to eliminate all of them. It all makes sense, yes.

[supplied_demand]

In this comment, you invent a conspiracy and apply it to me in order to have something to attack. You even used scare quotes to make it extra bad.

These performances kind of prove that you know the facts aren’t in your corner. The BBC video you are commenting on refutes your point about IDF always warning civilians before strikes:

==“I witnessed the Israeli Defense Forces shooting at the crowds of Palestinians," Anthony Aguilar told the BBC. He added that in his entire career he has never witnessed such a level of "brutality and use of indiscriminate and unnecessary force against a civilian population, an unarmed, starving population".==

[pegasus]

But still, why did they usually do it (if not always), if all they wanted really is to eliminate all Palestinians? I guess it will remain a mystery for the ages...

Really, nothing we see now is inconsistent with the most obvious explanation: which is the spiral of violence. None of it, as far as I can see, requires your conspiratorial belief that "all Israelis really wanted is to eliminate all Palestinians".

[supplied_demand]

==why did they usually do it==

I'm not entirely sure, maybe they did it to give people a narrative to distribute? I just know what they are doing now, which is forced starvation and violence without warning. The exact thing people warned about before the conflict started.

Why would you forcibly starve a population of civilians if your goal wasn't to eliminate them? Why have they blocked outside journalists from entering Gaza for over 600 days if they weren't trying to hide their actions? Starving civilians in an area where you control the airspace and coastline isn't a "spiral of violence," it is a war crime.

[yieldcrv]

That's what stands out to me the most, when they change their mind that means everyone else was always right.

Blaming all of Israel's chosen military strategy on Hamas invading at all is just weird. Like, there should really be a mental evaluation of everyone that repeated lines like that. Like seriously, trawl the entire internet for those people's screennames.