[EA-3167]

So do what 99.9999% of us already do: don't play these games. You deciding to make it a moral issue that you get to determine for everyone else is where you turn a personal opinion (really just an understandable sense of disgust) into a policy.

If we still decided what was allowed based on the sense of disgust it engenders in some people, we'd still be living like Medieval peasants. Adults should be free to make informed choices, that includes purchasing and consuming things that you and I find repellent.

[latentsea]

Question... do you or would you be willing to extend this line of reasoning to child porn? As in, some people want to watch it, and most people find it repulsive, but those that don't should be allowed to make the informed choice to watch it?

If not, where do you draw the line? And why there?

[const_cast]

> do you or would you be willing to extend this line of reasoning to child porn?

No, because that's illegal.

Slippery slope morality arguments are stupid and deserve to be treated as such. I've already heard this a thousand times with homosexuals. Men fucking men? What's next, men fucking kids? Men fucking dogs???

No, it's a stupid line of reasoning and, in fact, it's so stupid that even just a few seconds of inspection is enough to have it crumble and fall between the cracks of your hands.

> As in, some people want to watch it, and most people find it repulsive

You have a very fundamental misunderstanding here.

Okay, people find murder repulsive too. But is the reason that we outlawed murder because it's repulsive? Think about it. Throwing up is repulsive. Do we throw people in jail if they feel sick?

No. Whether or not ANYONE thinks something is repulsive is completely unrelated to if it should be allowed.

We did not, have not, and will never ban child pornography on the grounds it's "repulsive". It is, but that doesn't matter. We ban it because children are unable to consent, and subjecting unconsenting people to sexual acts is rape. Distributing the material is equally bad because it creates a market for it - meaning, more rape.

> If not, where do you draw the line? And why there?

When it comes to sex, consent. That's the only place you can draw the line. Otherwise I can easily weaponize your arguments against you. There are many sexual things you personally do which I find repulsive - please, tread carefully. This line of reasoning is dangerous.

[theshrike79]

Having a weird fetish game doesn't hurt anyone.

Having actual CSAM out there does hurt actual people.

[latentsea]

I'm not a gamer, so I'm not really up with the play on what games have been banned. I was under the impression some of the games being banned were of the "think of the children" variety.

[theshrike79]

They had _one_ example of a game that was more of an art piece about the mind of a sexual predator (who was NOT glorified in any way in the game and would mostly make you feel ill).

It was also removed from itch.io in 2014. Never made it to Steam.

But then they got Visa and Mastercard to throw their weight around with vague terms and now stores have to remove everything remotely erotic to not go out of business...

[latentsea]

I can't help but think it's all just one billionaire sitting in his liar having fun playing puppet master making it look that way.