[exe34]

> So nice to shut off the network permission for any apps that only require an internet connection to serve ads.

For those of us who aren't ready to cut the umbilical cord to the mothership, you can also root/firewall on normal android to stop this. In fact I choose to not be able to use banking apps in order to cut out the crappy ads.

[Harvesterify]

For those who don't want to root the phone, you can still avoid most of the ads by using a filtering DNS server with the Private DNS functionality on stock Android ROMs (or only at browser level if your favorite browser support DNS over HTTPS).

It comes with some minor usability issues with captive Wifi portals sometimes, but the trade-off of not having ads in app or while browsing is way worth it IMHO.

[strcat]

You can use RethinkDNS and avoid compatibility issues with captive portals. This is one of the options we recommend for GrapheneOS users. RethinkDNS is implemented as a VPN service but it has support for local filtering combined with optionally using a WireGuard VPN or multiple chained WireGuard VPNs. Android's captive portal handling works with a VPN and VPN leak blocking active since the connectivity checks are specially marked as not going through the VPN and so is the captive portal handling component opened by the captive portal notification. Private DNS is still missing support for this and also has the issue of causing DNS leaks for secondary profile VPNs.

[codethief]

I've heard good things about RethinkDNS but I've been waiting for integration with Tailscale[0], which doesn't sound entirely trivial[1]. :'-(

[0]: https://github.com/celzero/rethink-app/issues/1047

[1]: https://github.com/tailscale/tailscale/issues/12280

[tsoukase]

I put a Private DNS ('controld' for that matter) and never looked back. No more private VPNs with Blokada, no more block list updates. You choose if you want ad, tracker or adult blocking, without hassle, for free.

[strcat]

> For those of us who aren't ready to cut the umbilical cord to the mothership

You can use Google apps and apps depending on them on GrapheneOS via sandboxed Google Play. The vast majority of Android apps can be used. You don't need to stop using Google apps/services or other mainstream apps to use GrapheneOS. It's likely nearly all the apps you use or even all of them work on GrapheneOS. There's a per-app exploit protection compatibility mode toggle (and finer-grained toggles) to work around buggy apps with memory corruption bugs. We avoid turning on features breaking non-buggy apps by default and hardware memory tagging is temporarily opt-in for user installed apps not marked as compatible due to how many memory corruption bugs it finds.

A small number of apps are unavailable due to checking for a Google certified device/OS via the Play Integrity API. These are mostly banking apps, but most banking apps do work on GrapheneOS. There are tap-to-pay implementations which can be used on GrapheneOS in the UK and European Economic Area. Several banking apps recently explicitly added support for GrapheneOS via hardware-based attestation as an alternative to the Play Integrity API. We're pushing for more apps to do this and for regulation disallowing Google from providing an API to app developers for enforcing devices licensing Google Mobile Services. Play Integrity API often portrayed as a security feature but Google chooses not to enforce a security patch level. They're permitting devices with years of missing important privacy and security patches but not a much more private and secure OS. Only their strong integrity level has a patch level check, but the check is only done for recent Android versions and only requires they aren't more than 12 months behind on patches which serves no real purpose.

> you can also root/firewall on normal android

This is different from our Network permission which not only blocks direct access but also indirect access via APIs requiring Android's low-level INTERNET permission. Our Network permission also pretends the network is down through many of the APIs. For example, scheduled jobs set to depend on internet access won't run.

[backscratches]

Graphene has a really great sandboxed google servicen implementation, so barring a handful of banking apps not working, switching to graphene is a very gentle cutting of the mothership. For me it was very subtle, with better battery life!

[jrexilius]

The Netguard app worked well for me for that on vanilla burners and such. No root, "VPN" that I had block pretty much everything but the browser and Signal.

[jeroenhd]

Even without root, a VPN-style firewall will work against all non-system apps. The downside of this approach is that you can't combine one with another VPN app.

[strcat]

RethinkDNS is implemented as a VPN service but it has support for local filtering combined with optionally using a WireGuard VPN or multiple chained WireGuard VPNs. You can have both via the VPN service API rather than choosing one or the other. No need for app accessible root access.

[username135]

Are you referring to something like Karma on fdroid?

[jeroenhd]

Yes. I used to run NetGuard, but Karma seems to work very similarly.

It looks like there's an app on F-Droid called "Rethink" that promises to do both firewalling, DNS blocking, and offers a WireGuard VPN. That seems promising, though I must add that I haven't tested it myself.

[DeepSeaTortoise]

Rethink isn't quite ready yet. Depending on your use case you can go without getting thrown off by a bug for weeks, but when it fails it can be quite annoying. And don't use the GPlay version, but the FDroid or GitHub one.

On the other hand, the functionality is top notch. Easily the best integration of consumer level DNS + firewall blocking in any application on any platform. Just block everything of an application by default and then watch the connection logs for the app and start unblocking stuff via ips, domains or wildcards until the app starts working again.

[johnisgood]

I have been using Rethink, I think it is great.

[morserer]

Root, while more efficient, isn't strictly necessary. AdAway (FOSS, F-Droid) can run without root using the stock Android VPN backend.

[strcat]

RethinkDNS is implemented as a VPN service but it has support for local filtering combined with optionally using a WireGuard VPN or multiple chained WireGuard VPNs. You can have both via the VPN service API rather than choosing one or the other. No need for app accessible root access.

[exe34]

I use both adaway and AFWall+, as I don't like random apps making random connections, even if it's not for adverts. Once google play store ate my monthly data allowance, and it will never happen to me again.