[fc417fc802]

You didn't answer the question. What past solution was tried and actually worked and wasn't cruel or abusive to those who were "helped"?

People adopt this attitude that "obviously we just need to fix the problem using tried and true methods" but they can't actually articulate what those methods are. It's all just hot air.

I would like to suggest that at least in the case of the US the problems are largely political and thus there can be no straightforward solution since the people who would enact any solution are themselves the root cause.

> engineer your way out of it, or stay out of the conversation.

Yet a solution is conspicuously missing from your own rant.

[Avicebron]

> engineer your way out of it, or stay out of the conversation

The civilian conservation core, as conceived and executed in the 33-42 era, while updated to more modern standards of participation and scope would work wonders.

You're welcome.

EDIT: We're haunted by the same ghost. It's either up and out or over and through. Buenas noches.

[fc417fc802]

That would certainly reduce the issue but it fails to address the most severe cases. The people yelling at shrubs on the sidewalk probably aren't going to be compatible with such an effort.

[monero-xmr]

The solution is to take the screaming mentally insane off the street and put them into 24/7 mental care at asylums! Why can you not understand this clear solution?

[fc417fc802]

I mean I completely agree with you but you have to understand that historically that doesn't have a great record for the people removed. It hid them away from the rest of us but at least past implementations were notoriously cruel and abusive to the imprisoned patients.

[vel0city]

> historically that doesn't have a great record for the people removed

Is it better than what we're doing now? Having them live on the streets neglected, unsheltered, hungry, and sick?

Seems like what we're doing today has a worse record.

[monero-xmr]

We should hide them away in asylums and have modern techniques to prevent abuse

[righthand]

There are no modern techniques that’s why we left the old ways. The fact that you have nothing to offer but vague “use modern techniques” proves there are no modern techniques. It also shows you have a shallow understanding about health.

Do you understand how slippery of a slope “round them up and lock away mentally ill people” is? How do you determine who is dangerous and who is not? How do you determine which illnesses are for locking people up? How do you reason that with stripping away due process? Being mentally ill is not a crime.