[spacephysics]

A week or so ago the FBI report investigating an incident of unintentional discharge back in 2024 was released via FOIA. This particular case was a police officer who had the firearm in the holster, and by just normal movement it went off. Multiple layers of the striker fire system safety’s failed, and fired the chambered round.

What was particularly beneficial/unique is the P320 was kept in the holster when given to the FBI to investigate, and only removed after their forensic team X-rayed it, giving us pretty solid case study of how it happens

This guy does a great job going through the report: https://youtu.be/LfnhTYeVHHE

[dkbrk]

Thanks for the link, but I'm not sure what the point of the 50 minute video is. Here's [0] the pdf of the report. It's really not that long.

[0]: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L7RXrneHlzfjrewMFIeeyc-nel3...

[xeromal]

Context can be helpful for laypeople

[red-iron-pine]

50 minutes of video can be helpful for ad revenue.

[franktankbank]

Crazy that Sig Sauer is pushing back on this as lies then. (per featured article)

[antonymoose]

It’s crazy if you have good morals and care about your fellow man.

If you want to make boatloads of cash and don’t care about lives, you follow the rules and the same playbook as Remington did when their rifles suffered a similar self-firing phenomenon that killed customers.

Delay, deny, defend yourself and take in as much cash as possible until you are legally boxed in. Hope at that point your profits are greater than your penalties, such that they are just another cost of doing business.

What amazes me are the Sig Sauer fanatics I see online in the gun communities defending them endlessly as if they can do no harm.

[echelon_musk]

> ...have good morals and care about your fellow man.

Seems opposed to the values of an arms manufacturer.

[antonymoose]

I’ve yet to see any industry for which it applies.

[franktankbank]

Delay, deny, defend is a pretty bold position when your customers are guaranteed armed.

[Tadpole9181]

Are you seriously suggesting their customers would commit murder over this? And how would admitting their faults make such an unstable, revenge-bent person not want to kill them?

[franktankbank]

Normal people don't get bent toward murder until all other options are exhausted. I mean this whole thing seems very rare so probably not, but jesus take some fucking ownership. Bald faced lying is pretty fucking enraging and despicable. I'm not sure what you are so worked up about.

[myrmidon]

I don't think that is crazy at all, our whole system incentivizes corporate behavior exactly like this.

From your tone I assume that you would expect Sig to come forward, analyze, discuss and hopefully solve these problems as soon as possible.

But that would be utterly stupid from their point of view. Public opinion cares very little about the details-- anytime you get associated with issues like this is simply bad for your brand/stockpric: downplaying, denying and gaslighting is absolutely the way to go here for the company.

IMO to fix this you would need to strongly increase personal liability specifically for misinformation and delays in cases like this, and we would need to reward good behavior (proactive fixes, honest communication).

But just look at the whole tetraethyl lead debacle: This cost at least a million years of human lifes (!!), after the lead industry denied known problems and purposefully obstructed/discredited critical researchers (e.g. R. Buyers and H. Needleman) for decades. I strongly believe that a number of decisionmakers should have ended up with a dead penalty or lifelone imprisonment, but there were ZERO consequences for anyone involved, and current rethoric around "deregulation" makes it obvious to me that zero lessons were learned.

[franktankbank]

I agree culture these days is default corrupted and crazy. Still crazy though. I think we need good old fashioned justice.

[lazide]

Eh, SIG is losing a lot of customers for life with the way they are treating this situation.

[fireflash38]

Well yeah cause they get shot.