[ludwigschubert]

I’m not disagreeing, but the magical difference to me seems that Apple _users themselves_ decided ahead of time to trust Apple, whereas _the developer_ would make the decision to trust a third party? (My more jaded view is that such arguments are merely rationalizations, and that in 90% of these cases it’s mostly about which stack the people building an app have previous experience with… even though they explicitly claim the decision was made on technical grounds. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

[thewebguyd]

I think your jaded view is likely correct, at least in this case but I can see the other argument. After all, even myself I choose to use iPhone over Android purely because I align more with their practices/policies around data vs. Google, which I guess means I also have decided ahead of time to trust Apple over another entity. But I also have no illusions when it comes to law enforcement access, outside of Apple's Advanced Data Protection, which Android/Google currently offers no alternative to.

[bitpush]

> choose to use iPhone over Android purely because I align more with their practices/policies around data vs. Google

Based on what GrapheneOS shared, Apple forces apps to use their service. [1]. If you're a privacy conscious developer in, say, Switzerland, your data is being forcibly kept on US servers. You dont even have that choice.

According to GrapheneOS, Google gives you that choice with Android. That sounds better for privacy, if you ask me.

[1]: https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114789435383593180

[thewebguyd]

No argument from me there, Android can be better in some areas, and obviously GrapheneOS is going to be the better option above stock/skinned OEM Android if you value privacy and/or security.

But for those not willing to make the tradeoffs that GrapheneOS requires, Apple is probably the better choice IF you happen to trust Apple, or phrased differently - if you want Apple to be the only one spying on you vs. any number of third parties on Android, depending on which apps you install.

As for me, I have no particular love for Apple, despite being entirely in their ecosystem of devices, but I cba to play sysadmin at home and until Google/Android offers the equivalent level of E2EE as Apple's advanced data protection, I'm sticking with iPhone. I could piece together the equivalent myself, but there's something to be said of just having it offered OOTB.