[bitwize]

YAGN more experimental/niche window managers. Windows and macOS get by fine on one apiece, in fact their desktop story is better because their WM and toolkit is standardized.

The developers of Wayland (who are identical to the developers of Xorg) aspire to more of a Windows/Mac-like ecosystem for Linux, in which standardization, performance, and support for modern graphics hardware without hacks or workarounds are prioritized over proliferation of niche window managers and toolkits

[l72]

Terrible window management is a huge reason I will not use Mac OS or Windows. I immediately lose so much productivity. I am coming up on my 30th year of using Linux, and I can't imagine moving to an OS with such limited window capabilities. No sloppy mouse focus? No always on top? No sticky windows? No marking windows as utility windows to skip alt-tab?

I watch my colleagues on Mac OS and Windows during peer programming, and am flabbergasted as they fumble around trying to find the right window.

I am interacting with my computers interface for 10+ hours every single day. I do not stare at a single application, but am constantly jumping between windows and tasks. The one size fits all approach is the same as the lowest common denominator approach, and it hinders people who need to do real work.

[tines]

I have to use BetterTouchTool to make OSX usable. With BTT, OSX is awesome though. Much better than Windows.

Modern OSX does have always-on-top natively now btw.

[dmytrish]

Linux already has GNOME and KDE as solid mainstream platforms (which is already twice as good as MacOS/Windows), and it also already has Sway, Hyprland, Niri. If an idea is worth implementing, it gets implemented even with Wayland.

[spauldo]

Windows is the epitome of bad window management. It's actually gotten worse as they've removed functionality over the years and broken other functionality. "Oh, you've got a modal window open? Now you can't even move the window that spawned it!" "Oh, you want to move this window to the top of the screen? Let me maximize that for you! Of course we're not going to let you disable that behavior..."

Microsoft got the Start Button/taskbar bit right in 1998 with the addition of the quicklaunch bar, although they keep trying to screw it up. But their window management has been abysmal since the beginning. If you use a large monitor (so you don't need to maximize everything) it's really painful.

[yjftsjthsd-h]

> The developers of Wayland (who are identical to the developers of Xorg) aspire to more of a Windows/Mac-like ecosystem for Linux, in which standardization, performance, and support for modern graphics hardware without hacks or workarounds are prioritized over proliferation of niche window managers and toolkits

Is that why they arranged things to ensure that the Wayland world would always be split into GNOME, KDE, and everything else (in practice, wlroots)?

[p_l]

That issue is more naivety than anything else.

At least some ideas that were floated early on are deader than dead, like copy-paste as DBus Service

[vidarh]

The few times I've had to use Windows and OS X for work has been sheer misery because of the poor window management.

More of a Windows/Mac-like ecosystem for Linux sounds like an awful threat.