[Afforess]

Yeah, I came to the same exact conclusion last year. Heck, even Ford’s CEO drives a BYD and thinks their a major threat.

This administration seems set on demolishing American industries though. Such a shame, but maybe we can finally get decent rail once all the car lobby’s are dead. (But probably not)

[jampa]

He drives a Xiaomi SU7, which seems like the best car out there for the price.

Honestly, it amazes me that Xiaomi built the car that you would expect Apple to come up with after all these years they spent researching and coming up with nothing.

According to Wikipedia, the Xiaomi SU7 Max has 1,784 hp and is priced at 73,000 USD. In some YouTube videos, they raced against Ferraris and Bugattis, and it fared better than much more expensive cars. I have no idea how they did it.

[sherr]

This is the point that The Economist made this week about Xiaomi. It looks like Lei Jun, the CEO, has a bit of a cult following in China.

"With the successful release of the YU7—its second electric vehicle (EV) after the SU7, a sporty sedan launched in March last year—Xiaomi has pulled off a feat that eluded Apple, which ditched plans to make its own EV after burning billions of dollars on the effort over a decade."

There's also a brutal price war going on over there. Those cars will be exported worldwide. Western countries are in a bind: protect the local manufacturer or allow the (much) cheaper and environmentally sound EV in from China?

"China’s smartphone champion has triumphed where Apple failed" [1]

https://archive.is/4o8hM

[andsoitis]

> According to Wikipedia, the Xiaomi SU7 Max has 1,784 hp and is priced at 73,000 USD. In some YouTube videos, they raced against Ferraris and Bugattis, and it fared better than much more expensive cars. I have no idea how they did it.

A Cybertruck may look clumsy, but it can been a Lamborghini. Instant torque.

The highest horsepower in a Ferrari road car is 1,200 in the F80. Though, I’m pretty confident you got the HP wrong for the Xiaomi.

[slaw]

Xiaomo SU7 Ultra - 1,138 kW (1,547 PS; 1,526 hp). OP quoted max battery power. Xiaomi on tracks is faster than Ferraris and Bugattis.

Nürburgring times.

7:04.957 Xiaomi SU7 Ultra

6:22.091 Xiaomi SU7 Ultra Prototype

[tim333]

It's very impressive really, more so give the SU7 Ultra is a normal four seater car you you can drive to the supermarket in and then go beat Ferraris on the Nürburgring or maybe set a record on your local track.

[BobaFloutist]

I mean that's just electric cars, right, they're ludicrously overpowered for their price point (even if they're spendy in other ways).

Even my parents' Leaf leaps like a salmon outside of eco-mode despite that being the last reason anyone would buy a Leaf.

[andsoitis]

> Xiaomo SU7 Ultra - 1,138 kW (1,547 PS; 1,526 hp). OP quoted max battery power.

OP talked about the Xiaomi SU7 Max, not Ultra. Looked it up now, the Max has just shy of 700 horsepower.

[slaw]

OP mixed data from Ultra and Max, also used battery max power not engine power.

Max is 495 kW (673 PS; 664 hp) for 299,900 yuan (US$42,239)

[ninetyninenine]

No this administration is set on protecting industry. Tesla is still around largely because byd is kept out.

I mean the policies you see you like to think are bad are literally helping Americans out, it’s just hard to look at those policies.

Because the policies represents American inferiority. America needs a leg up because their industry is inferior to China. These policies are not fair at all.

[pstuart]

> No this administration is set on protecting industry

No, this administration ostensibly wants to Make America Great Again, but that requires policy that is focused on the greater good -- with a long term vision on the investment.

The reality is that they are actually interested in is actually a kakistocracy and has the following concerns: self-enrichment, staying in power, and oppressing its enemies.

[ninetyninenine]

All of what you said is true. But you implied making America great is not part of that.

Trust me. The kakistocracy requires America to be great. The tariffs are part of that.

Let me spell it out. The ceo of tsmc has clearly stated many times. The economics of building a fab in the US don’t make sense. Everything will be massively more expensive. The reason why it’s being done is simply to give a leg up to the US so the US can perform better at something that they are inferior at to Taiwan.

All of these policies are done to produce better outcomes in the long term but be massively painful in the short term.

I hate trump but the reality is that politics and taking sides is a cartoonish attitude. People are complex and the administration is made up multitudes of people. The reason for why they do what they do aren’t simply black and white and always in favor of just funneling more power to the upper class.

Maybe you’re right that they don’t give a shit about anyone other than self enrichment. But improving America in general doesn’t go against self enrichment, in fact improving America in general has massive long term upsides for trump. Don’t fall into the trope of taking a political side and thinking in terms of caricatures that trump is just pure evil.

[pstuart]

I do think that they want America to be great, but only in the sense of "we're number one!" (chanted incessantly). Day after day I see nothing that shows that they know what they're doing (other than following the Project 2025 playbook).

I abhor partisan politics and would have no issue pointing out the plentitude of failures that happened under Dem leadership. But the Right has this One Weird Trick where they make everything political (in a partisan sense) and the act of criticizing a policy or whatnot on its merits then becomes a "biased political opinion".

Tariffs are being used in an attempt to replace income tax (Trump has been clear about that), with a benefit of being a weapon to punish perceived enemies and with a bonus of being yet another thing he can be bribed on.

I do think that Trump is pure evil -- there's zero redeeming qualities about him. Please correct my assumption if you have anything.

[tim333]

Tesla is still competing reasonably well with BYD in China.

[ninetyninenine]

BYD is dominating. Tesla is doing reasonably well. That’s correct.

But Tesla is not dominating China.

Tesla dominates the US. The only reason for that is because the administration is helping Tesla. The administration helps Tesla but they do so also by harming consumers. They restrict consumer choice to an inferior choice and thus preserve industry in the US.

[idiotsecant]

I mean, say what you will about third world mafia states, they do generally have trains. Mostly because the citizens couldn't imagine owning a personal vehicle. Post-soviet Russia, here we come!!