[ChocolateGod]

> and all of which has historically been true in all kinds of ways. But precisely because of that, if you’re not thinking about what’s happening to boys and how they are being raised, then that can actually hurt women. … And I will say, as “progressives,” Democrats, progressive parents, enlightened ones, we’ve made that mistake sometimes in terms of our rhetoric.

And this is partially why young men have turned to toxic influences like Trump and Tate. They've been told they're "privileged" or somehow responsible and for acts commited by other men. Of course they will look in the other direction at the group of people saying the opposite.

This why Kamala lost the support of a lot of young men and by the time she tried to recoup it was far too late.

[duxup]

I think there's some truth to it as far as Kamala goes, although I'd also argue she didn't campaign on ... anything. So the issue you mentioned maybe did loom large if only because she had nothing to sell anyone on.

[lazyeye]

Maybe you are overthinking this.

Maybe it's a case of "if you don't like me, then I don't like you..."

And I dont think anyone in this situation would ever consider the opposing party "enlightened"

Now maybe it's become "we still don't like you but we need to say things to get your vote..."