[rich_sasha]

"European" cars are not really a category. French/Italian/Spanish cars are very different from German/Volvo, and even these groupings are a stretch. Then you have Dacia too, and I have no idea where to even put it. Plus you have some luxury British cars, which are again veery different.

In-group std is greater than between-group std.

[burnerthrow008]

In the USA (where Consumer Reports exists), we don’t have any French or Spanish brands. Italian brands are only exotics and couple near-luxury brands from Stellantis.

To a USAian, “European Brand” means something from Germany or Scandinavia. If you mean a Ferrari or Lamborghini, you say that name.

[PaulHoule]

There's Fiat, an Italian brand that I think of as terribly downmarket. I think it's part of Stellantis and I think if you see Stellantis coming you're supposed to run, not walk away -- I guess Chrysler is still part of that, but Chrysler is also far worse than Ford and GM.

As for Ferrari and Lamborghini it doesn't matter what Consumer Reports thinks.

[rich_sasha]

Fair enough but its a bit like saying American cities are very cold in winter, and by American cities I mean New York cos thats where most flights go.

Theres a lot more cities in the US and a lot more "European" cars than German/Swedish.

[constantcrying]

>"European" cars are not really a category. /Spanish cars are very different from German/Volvo

VWAG owns the largest Spanish car maker, Seat/Cupra. 100% of cars Seat/Cupra sells are VW derivatives. Whatever you imagine the difference between Spanish cars and German cars to be, it is not real.

>French/Italian

Renault is a very different company then Stellantis (Fiat, Citroen, Peugeot).

What you should compare is the parent company making these cars.

>Plus you have some luxury British cars, which are again veery different.

Lotus is a Geely brand, just like Volvo is a Geely brand, some of their cars are on the same platform. Fiat, Citroen, Peugeot are Stellantis brands.

[Malakun]

> Spanish cars are very different from German

The only spanish car maker is SEAT and it's part of VAG group. SEAT are more expensive than Skoda, but cheaper than Audi.

And using the country card with these automaker corporations is very tricky, because they have factories everywhere. You can buy an Audi made in Spain or a VW made in Slovakia.