[gregjor]

Car dependency is a feature of LA, not a bug. And not a secret one gradually discovers — LA is famous for exactly that. How would Waymo make anything but the smallest dent? How many people who don’t have a car in LA can afford Waymo or Uber?

[JohnFen]

> How would Waymo make anything but the smallest dent

Waymo and the like perpetuate car dependency, they don't alleviate it even a little. They are not solutions.

[gregjor]

Agree about perpetuating car dependency. In theory Uber and Waymo replace multiple cars with fewer cars. In practice they just put more cars on the road.

LA specifically practically requires residents to drive everywhere due to distance and decades of car-centric urban design. I grew up in LA.