[obfuscator]

Why should that be dangerous? I have never heard that.

I have always had my fridge at 8°C and never had something dangerous happen to me. I have never come across fridges that were way cooler, apart from fridges of friends in Canada and the US. What's the reasoning?

[lucb1e]

The recommendation I've always heard in the Netherlands is 7°C, it's more recent that I've been seeing 4°C on meat packaging in Germany (where I live now). I doubt anyone's fridge is consistently at or below 4° without freezing things constantly, so I've been assuming this is wishful thinking and/or ass-covering on the manufacturer's part and not what anybody actually does. Your 8°C is close enough that it probably makes little difference, though afaik this is an exponential curve (at 14°C it would last far less than half as long) so I'd not be surprised if things spoil a bit sooner than they otherwise would

Even if your products generally meet their "should be safe at least until" date (Mindesthaltbarkeitsdatum, idk if it's the same as "best before"), you might exceed that longevity more often than you do now and thus have less food waste by setting the fridge colder - if food waste is a thing you have in the first place (I'm the type of person that is hungry all the time, opens the fridge when hungry, and isn't super selective (among what I've bought anyway), so food I buy ~always gets eaten before it spoils, but then when I see food waste numbers, apparently that's not the case for everyone so I'm just throwing this out there)

Edit: trying to fact-check myself, I can't find any trustworthy source in Dutch saying your foodstuffs fridge should be more than 4°C. I measure new fridges when moving in and again at least once during the first summer to make sure they stay at or below 7°C when we had the door open a normal amount of times, so I know they're that (and not much cooler, to not freeze items or waste energy). So far, products meet their minimum shelf life date thingy and almost always exceed it. Strange. Maybe this recommendation I heard predates the internet (showing my age here), or maybe every page on the internet assumes that nobody actually measures it properly and so they recommend a value that's half of what's actually safe?

[hn_go_brrrrr]

> I doubt anyone's fridge is consistently at or below 4° without freezing things constantly.

My refrigerator is typically between 3-4°C, never had any problems with things freezing.

[lucb1e]

Crazy, I'd think the fluctuations would be way too big. How long does it normally run for when it does a cooling cycle? Is that temperature throughout the fridge or only on certain shelves?

Ours (well, our landlord's) runs very consistently for 40 +/- 3 minutes, with just over 1h30min in between during normal use, or 1h54min if it was closed the whole time (like at night). The temperature of products, as measured with a cheap infrared thermometer that's probably off like 10%, varies between 2 and 7 degrees, but it's not very consistent between shelves (top seems warmer but then the very bottom one, that is only half deep, is as warm as the top again). The products I checked have all been in there for days; reflectivity may be part of the difference, not sure. I don't know what the air temperature difference is at the beginning and end of a cooling cycle though

[hn_go_brrrrr]

It's closer to 2-3°C in the drawers at the bottom and 3-4°C at the shelves at the top. However, it's very consistent otherwise.

I can't tell you how long it runs for because the compressor is too quiet for me to hear, sorry. Maybe if I had an energy monitor on it. Sounds like a fun idea.

[obfuscator]

Thanks for that explanation!

The Mindesthaltbarkeitsdatum is the deadline to which the item may still be sold by the vendor, iirc.