[PhoenixReborn]

It's basically impossible to prevent people from using VPNs without some serious governmental control over every telco - which of course may be the case in the UK, but I don't think a site operator can be held liable for that in any sane way.

[harvey9]

China's great firewall is reported to take resources the UK just couldn't muster. The UK is still at the level of storing highly classified information in Excel and sending it by email.

[elcritch]

That's actually a feature. Whistle blowers and leaks like Snowdens are helped by these antiquated setups.

[koakuma-chan]

What's wrong with email? I keep seeing "email is not secure means of communication" but doesn't email use TLS?

[loloquwowndueo]

Not all the time. You don’t control the mta to mta protocol - it could be plain smtp over port 25.

[harvey9]

It's the document control aspect rather than the protocol. Preferable in this sort of work that authorised users log into a proper case management system, rather than pass around a document with all the data.

[bink]

It's one thing to not try to prevent people from circumventing the law, it's quite another to encourage them to do so.

[iLoveOncall]

As the website says, it's not illegal for users in the UK to circumvent the restrictions using a VPN, so they're not recommending anything illegal.

[Mindwipe]

The law does require sites to not explicitly advocate a specific method for bypassing the checks (or to allow third parties to do so on it's platform, so it'll be interesting to see how that works for Reddit).

But I doubt this is specific enough to hit that bar - it is more of a factual note about what the law is for UK users rather than a specific call of "don't use our verification methods, use a VPN instead."

[lucb1e]

> for users in the UK

Yes, but the recommendation was for the platform, not the users ("For a site operator who seems really concerned about potential liability", emphasis added). Spelling out how anyone (including minors) can get to the site without any age check may not be an issue for users' own good but a liability for the platform

Not saying I agree or disagree, just clarifying what the text above meant

[closewith]

This is the kind of comment you get from someone who's never interacted with a Western legal system. Any kind of winking reference is immediately seen through.

[Spivak]

I think you assume the fact that it's a winking reference means they have to use a winking reference. It seems like it would be legal for them to post a full guide for UK users on how to access their site using a VPN service.

There's literally "Best VPNs For Accessing Porn in the UK" articles, they'll be fine.

[Mindwipe]

> It seems like it would be legal for them to post a full guide for UK users on how to access their site using a VPN service.

It isn't, the Ofcom OSA act codes explicitly say that the site cannot explicitly tell people how to get past it's verification methods.

> There's literally "Best VPNs For Accessing Porn in the UK" articles, they'll be fine.

They're on journalism sites that are explicitly exempted from the law, so they aren't advocating for getting around that specific site's methods.

It will be interesting to see how this works on any social platform though. To my reading of the guidance Ofcom require Reddit, BlueSky/Twitter etc to block any posts discussing using a VPN to get around it, or at least require age verification to access those posts too.

But I think that contradicts other parts of the legislation, and Ofcom have got themselves into quite a predictable mess.

[lcnPylGDnU4H9OF]

I’d personally be interested in a risk analysis by a lawyer for that statement but it doesn’t seem particularly problematic. It does not seem to be actual encouragement to use a VPN, just acknowledgement that they exist.

[crazylogger]

Circumvention means you're following the law after all, i.e. you're circumventing, not breaking it.

Every other Youtuber these days is thanking NordVPN for sponsoring their channel then proceeds to walk through specifically how to use it to view geoblocked Netflix content, and they (and NordVPN!) are fine.

[crtasm]

I'm not sure that's relevant? Netflix ToS is not a law.

[foldr]

> which of course may be the case in the UK

People aren’t prevented from using VPNs in the UK, in case anyone is unclear on this.