[steveBK123]

Yes I have this conversation with women sometimes where it's like "but if I am assertive and ask for money, my boss will judge me" type of societal norm compliance.

And look, maybe they will, but are they going to fire you or cut your pay? No.

You don't ask, you don't get.. that is the way of the world. If you constantly try to play it safe, you get less.

If you clip your own wings you can't point vaguely at "society" for it.

[lazide]

Fire or cut pay - now they might.

[steveBK123]

At the end of the day if you are getting fired/paycut for asking for a raise, you are either doing a bad job or at a bad company. The sooner it happens / you realize, the better.

This is the most edge of edge cases, and I've literally never heard of such a thing in 20 years working.

[lazide]

Said no one worried about being laid off ever.