[Jyaif]

You've got it exactly backwards.

When the software was hand-coded, having Lidar and a high-res map was vital.

But if you have a good enough AI, sensors that replicate the human senses are all what is needed.

The real question is: when will we get good enough AI that can be applied to all cars?

[DennisP]

The question isn't whether it can be done eventually, but whether it would get safer faster with extra sensors.

Back in the day, Elon's specific objection to lidar was that it was too hard to code the sensor fusion part. With end-to-end there's no coding to deal with.

And it's not like they've replicated the visual cortex. It's the same neural net technology everybody else is using. It can deal with any sort of sensors just fine.

[CyberDildonics]

> But if you have a good enough AI, sensors that replicate the human senses are all what is needed.

What is your example or evidence for this?

[Jyaif]

Concentrated and well-rested drivers with good eyesight not under the influence are able to drive very well.

[CyberDildonics]

So human senses are all we need and we just have to solve artificial general intelligence and fully simulate a human brain? I wonder why no one has done that yet.

[DennisP]

Yes, but we're a long way from putting AI hardware in cars that's as powerful as the human brain.

Plus our cameras aren't as good as human eyes.