[myaccountonhn]

The reason it's seen as bad is because there are not enough natural resources to sustain such a consumption, and many of these countries (esp India) will practically become unhabitable if global warming continues like it does. There are very few signs that technology will be able to fix this.

No one is against clean access to water...

[amelius]

The real villain here is advertising, which pushes us to always want more than we need.

[pas]

there are of course more than enough "natural resources" to sustain such consumption, the problem is paradoxically the opposite, too much easy to extract shit that we then emit into our own environment

the fix is also not complicated (remove GHG from the air, remove endocrine disruptors from the food cycle, etc.)

the costs are high though, but not that high, compared to - for example - the famines of past

but as population will peak - at least for now - and as we continue to ramp up renewable energy generation these problems are not insurmountable in any sense

...

places affected by storms and extreme heat/cold days need better infrastructure, but since urbanization continues to drive people to cities (as it did for the last few hundreds of years) these places need new and better infrastructure anyway!

[simgt]

> the fix is also not complicated (remove GHG from the air, remove endocrine disruptors from the food cycle, etc.)

Are you abstracting away the technical complexity when stating that it's not complicated? GHG removal tech that would scale simply doesn't exist if we intend to have some energy left to do anything else, as for removing pfas and microplastics from the environment, we are at the stage of running experiments in petri dishes.

And even if we abstract away the technical complexity, good luck convincing anyone to stop burning the free fuel we have lying around doing nothing now that we have everything-nuclear-solar and GHG removal at scale. We can barely convince our councils to build cycle lanes in dense areas if that removes any space for SUVs.

I wish I'd share the blind optimism of people like you, it seems pleasant to live in your heads...

[pas]

ah, sorry, I am not optimistic, I just accepted that it's not a technical, logistical, or "resource constraints" problem

it's a coordination problem as you mentioned

based on this I moved to a place where I think things are a bit less crazy with regards to that (well, famous last comments ...eheh)

[simgt]

Ha, that was really not obvious in your initial comment, thanks for clarifying!

> based on this I moved to a place where I think things are a bit less crazy with regards to that (well, famous last comments ...eheh)

Mind telling us pessimists where that might be? ;)

[pas]

Hungary -> Spain