[shakna]

"You can’t be deluded about positives usefulness."

If that were true, then we would not have the Dunning-Kruger effect. Regardless of your intelligence, all of us are susceptible to a cognitive bias that makes us think that we are better than we actually are at some things.

The classical case used to demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect is self-assessment. That is, how well you think you can do a task. Rating the performance of a task - which is precisely what is happening here!

People are shit indicators of their own performance. With a great new placebo tool, people are incredibly likely to say it improved their life. Even though it did nothing at all.

Being deluded about positive usefulness is normal.

[ninetyninenine]

You just made that up. You created a connection between the Dunning-Kruger effect and positive delusion about tools. Do you have data to back that up?

I mean as much as we complain about LLMs hallucinating, here's an example of a human making shit up out of thin air. What's going on here is NOT self assessment. It's obviously assessment of an LLM.

Additionally the Dunning-Kruger effect like all of psychology stands on shaky ground.

[shakna]

So... Attack first? That what you're going with?

DKE has been confirmed more than anything else. It was one of the few things not hit by the replication crisis.

You're assessing how well you do, when aided or not, by a tool. That's still self assessment, I'm afraid.

And that self-assessment is flawed. [0]

[0] https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.09089

[ninetyninenine]

>You're assessing how well you do, when aided or not, by a tool. That's still self assessment, I'm afraid.

Aid? I assess the output of the tool. Whether that tool aids me is another topic all together. I am not using the tool to augment my existing abilities.

The tool is literally doing the task for me and I am evaluating the results afterwords. This is not some wrench that augments my existing strength. This is more of an assistant than a tool but wording can be manipulated so that assistants can also be thought of as tools. Let's not manipulate the wording to be in our favor and go for intent. The intent here is that clearly the LLM is different from a wrench. When you evaluate a wrench you also evaluate yourself because you are operating the wrench. When you evaluate an LLM, you are not operating it. You gave it a prompt and it went off on it's own to do something.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-dunning-kruge...

This is what I mean by dunning kruger. Either way, whether it's legit or not my points still stand.

>So... Attack first? That what you're going with?

What is this? Attack first? Who is getting attacked here?

[shakna]

You attacked.

> You just made that up... I mean as much as we complain about LLMs hallucinating, here's an example of a human making shit up out of thin air

You called me a liar, delusional, and accused me of making up shit.

As you appear to ignore all things contrary to your current opinion - as the article you linked points out it effects everyone; and have acted like a dick, this conversation is now over.