[Aurornis]

> that can reliably reproduce thousands/millions of copyrighted works, you shouldn't be distributibg it. If it were just regular software that had that capability, would it be allowed?

LLMs are hardly reliable ways to reproduce copyrighted works. The closest examples usually involve prompting the LLM with a significant portion of the copyrighted work and then seeing it can predict a number of tokens that follow. It’s a big stretch to say that they’re reliably reproducing copyrighted works any more than, say, a Google search producing a short excerpt of a document in the search results or a blog writer quoting a section of a book.

It’s also interesting to see the sudden anti-LLM takes that twist themselves into arguing against tools or platforms that might reproduce some copyrighted content. By this argument, should BitTorrent also be banned? If someone posts a section of copyrighted content to Hacker News as a comment, should YCombinator be held responsible?

[zizee]

Then they should easily fall within the regulation section posted earlier.

If you cannot see the difference between BitTorrent and Ai models, then it's probably not worth engaging with you.

But Ai model have been shown to reproduce the training data

https://gizmodo.com/ai-art-generators-ai-copyright-stable-di...

https://arxiv.org/abs/2301.13188

[Jensson]

> LLMs are hardly reliable ways to reproduce copyrighted works

Only because the companies are intentionally making it so. If they weren't trained to not reproduce copyrighted works they would be able to.

[ben_w]

They're probably training them to refuse, but fundamentally the models are obviously too small to usually memorise content, and can only do it when there's many copies in the training set. Quotation is a waste of parameters better used for generalisation.

The other thing is that approximately all of the training set is copyrighted, because that's the default even for e.g. comments on forums like this comment you're reading now.

The other other thing is that at least two of the big model makers went and pirated book archives on top of crawling the web.

[jazzyjackson]

it's like these people never tried asking for song lyrics

[terminalshort]

LLMs even fail on tasks like "repeat back to me exactly the following text: ..." To say they can exactly and reliably reproduce copyrighted work is quite a claim.

[tomschwiha]

You can also ask people to repeat a text and some will fail. What I want to say is that even if some LLMs (probably only older ones) will fail doesn't mean future ones will fail (in the majority). Especially if benchmarks indicate they are becoming smarter over time.