[oytis]

It's very different from chess etc. If we could formalise and "solve" software engineering precisely, it would be really cool, and probably indeed just lift programming to a new level of abstraction.

I don't mind if software jobs move from writing software to verifying software either if it makes the whole process more efficient and the software becomes better as a result. Again, not what is happening here.

What is happening, at least in AI optimist CEO minds is "disruption". Drop the quality while cutting costs dramatically.

[charleshn]

I mentioned algorithms, not software engineering, precisely for that reason.

But the next step is obviously increased formalism via formal methods, deterministic simulators etc, basically so that one could define an environment for a RL agent.

[puchatek]

It's unlikely that LLMs are gonna get us there though. They ingested all relevant data at this point at the net effect might very well kill future sources of quality data. How is e.g. stackoverflow gonna stay alive if the next generation of programmers relies mainly on copilot and vibe coding? And what will the LLMs scrape once it's gone?

[bigyabai]

I'll bet you $1,000*10^32 that AI never formalizes a novel FFT algorithm worth more than a dime.

[yeasku]

Open AI failed to create a bot that can play Dota. Llms cant learn complex heuristics.