[kcplate]

The problem is that fascism historically encompassed a number of political and power qualities and what is being described as “fascist” today might have some of those qualities, but not necessarily all of them. Ironically the side yelling “fascist” today also has some of those qualities, but doesn’t want to admit either.

Probably just best to focus on those qualities you don’t like on the other side and leave the labeling to the future historians.

[queenkjuul]

We need words people understand now to describe what's happening now.

Curious what you consider fascist about people who hold zero corporate or political power

[kcplate]

> We need words people understand now to describe what's happening now.

Ok, so use words appropriate to what is happening. When you work to redefine “scary” words in an attempt to try and piggyback on their negative history you minimize that history.

> Curious what you consider fascist about people who hold zero corporate or political power

The point was that I don’t consider what we see today as fascist and you shouldn’t either…because it’s not.

[mcphage]

At what point will you consider it fascist, if anonymous masked police kidnapping people off the streets doesn’t, and building concentration camps doesn’t, and silencing of critical media doesn’t? Are you waiting for a specific number of mass casualties, or is this just sparkling despotism?

[kcplate]

Those are “tactics”. You are confusing relatively common control and power tactics that are used by some governments with an ideology that encompasses many different characteristics. The Soviet Union used many of the same tactics, but you wouldn’t call them fascist. Many of the important (political and economic) fascist ideologies don’t apply to the current administration…in fact politically and economically the current US administration is directly opposite of what was found in historic fascism.

I get that you want to redefine what “fascism” is, because historically it’s associated with some really evil things, but I am not willing to dilute that definition.

[mcphage]

Well then, keep on fighting the good fight, and hopefully you won’t end up in the gulag.

[kcplate]

I’ll just continue to “not break any laws” since that has kept me out of the gulag so far.