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by lowwave 330 days ago
Thank you for bring this (conduit) up!!! Nothing beats a binary and toml/json/yml file deployment!!!

And it is what great about the matrix.org vs other open source app such as Telegram/Signal/Wire.... The protocol was designed to be open. If you don't like the client, write one, if you don't like the server, write another. Just follow the API specification. Being it is REST it is much easier to decipher than IMAP/SMTP. And port 443 works every where! Even on proxied Internet!!
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immibis 330 days ago
The specification is so complex that keeping up with it is a full-time job - which benefits the Element Corporation, which profits from selling their complex server and client and also makes the specification. Just have a glance at the concept of room versions.
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Arathorn 329 days ago
room versions are just a much-needed way of versioning the protocol, so we can make breaking changes without being trapped with backwards compatibility problems - no different to a fileformat including a version number. it’s one of the best bits of Matrix, imo, albeit sorely misunderstood (it seems).
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immibis 329 days ago
IRC doesn't have this because it doesn't try to make rooms into long-running distributed state machines.

Although it is possible for two room operators to kick each other on different servers at the same moment, which probably does lead to state desync. They'd have to do it at the same moment. In Matrix, it tries to still sync things that happened 6 months ago...

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immibis 327 days ago
On second thought, I think it would lead to both operators being kicked - a nonserializable ordering. Each server would independently check the action was authorized based on the prior state, and would then broadcast into the network, not "op1 wants to kick op2", but rather "op1 did kick op2". Users on op2's server would see that op2 kicked op1, and then op1 kicked op2, despite no longer being in the channel or being a channel operator. This seems acceptable, although counter-intuitive.
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Klonoar 330 days ago
Conduit is a bit slow to update over the years, and a few forks have improved on it quite a bit; continuwuity being chief among them at the moment.

Yeah I hate the name too.

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JadedBlueEyes 320 days ago
Hey, one of the Continuwuity team here - the name was a bit of a placeholder we picked as we were setting up the project, and we are open to changing it if we find something that fits the project and is a step up. Please join our Matrix rooms if you have a suggestion or more in-depth feedback, or want to participate in any polls we might run.
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