[bluefirebrand]

> College is not "learning to program". College is learning how to adapt to an ever changing world, that will require your adapting many times over your career.

You're gonna have to do a lot of work to convince me that people who only know how to drive an LLM are learning how to adapt to sweet fuck all

At least with a calculator, people still had to know the difference between addition and multiplication, in order to use the calculator correctly

[arvinsim]

> You're gonna have to do a lot of work to convince me that people who only know how to drive an LLM are learning how to adapt to sweet fuck all

Driving an LLM properly requires knowing to evaluate if the results are correct. People can certainly try to pass generated code over for PR. But even just one code feedback or debugging should uncover if the person understood what they were doing.

[bruce511]

What if driving an LLM well is actually a desirable skill?

What if changing from a "write code" based idea of programming changes to a "remove technical debt from code" skill?

What if the next generation of programmers is not focused on the creation of new code, but rather the improvement of existing code?

What if the current crop of programmers has to literally adapt from a world that has valued code quantity to a world that values code quality (something we dont especially prioritize at the moment?)

I'd argue that we're asking the current generation to be massively adaptable in terms of what was expected of us 10 (or 30) years ago, as to what will be required of them 5 years from now.

And to be clear, I'm not suggesting that LLMs will teach them to be adaptable. I'm suggesting that a world that contains LLMs will require them to be adaptable.

[bluefirebrand]

> What if changing from a "write code" based idea of programming changes to a "remove technical debt from code" skill

I don't believe you can do this if you can't write code, but sure. Maybe

> What if the current crop of programmers has to literally adapt from a world that has valued code quantity to a world that values code quality

LLMs seem more likely to increase the value of quantity and decrease the value of quality. That's playing out in front of us right now, with people "vibecoding"

> I'm suggesting that a world that contains LLMs will require them to be adaptable.

And ones who can't adapt will be ground to mulch to fuel the LLM power plants no doubt

[s1mplicissimus]

Your response just triggered a deja-vu from back when scaffolding tools were the new hot thing, now everyone and their dog was able to spin up that todo application within one CLI command. Except the generated code was mostly boilerplate that had to be heavily adapted for any real life use case, unveiling all the ignorance that could be covered up to that point. It's the same with vibe code. Looks fun until you throw it into reality - and then you're on your own and better know how to deal with stuff.