[starfallg]

> In practice the best managers care primarily about politics and growing their personal stake in the organization.

This is fine, and expected of senior management.

> I've found that the more clueless they are the better (just don't point that out).

This is toxic. Management at the senior level of these organisations has been completely detached from the activities on the ground.

A healthy functional organisation should have senior managers that understand the complete stack of layers, but especially at the level where the value is being generated they need to fully understand.

[MattPalmer1086]

I find most senior managers do understand where the value is created - sales and marketing of course.