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by JumpCrisscross 345 days ago
> it should be treated the same as treason

No, it shouldn’t. Treason has a specific meaning.

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Treason is a strong word. It is a knowingly detrimental action against American workers and companies to dodge requirements for hiring skilled foreign workers.

The focus and the main point remains: It's unethical, it's illegal, and I wish punishment on the companies and the individuals who fraudulently scam American workers out of jobs.

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Treason isn't even a legal concept. Who cares about any given meaning without that? If it strikes you as treason, that's as good a reason to call it treason as any.

Personally, I think there's lots of treason that pervades our life. Hell you could argue the meaning of "national interest" used by our state department is itself treasonous.

Any definition of the word will come down to what you perceive as in our interests. For easy examples, see Snowden and Manning.

Sorry, perhaps I should have said "not a well-defined legal concept", or else we would surely all be enemies of the state.
It’s anti-American behavior against a person in America as opposed to against the nation specifically. An attack on one is an attack on us all.
Lots of things are anti-American behavior.

Most of those things aren't joining up with a foreign adversary with whom we're officially at war.

Even things that are treasonous in a colloquial sense are still pretty narrow, and tend to refer to other specific forms of betraying your country, that just happen to be other crimes -- like espionage, or insurrection.

I think it is anti-American to discriminate on the basis of origin. Where you are from has no bearing on many if not most jobs. I may not be making the point you think I’m making, I’m making a nuanced point that we have a duty to report treason, and we have a duty to report whatever it is when you have an ongoing state of affairs in which there exists a stated or effective policy of only (or never) hiring a certain group of people.
Is it anti American to favor Americans for jobs?
I’m not sure, can you make an argument for why it should be?
> Most of those things aren't joining up with a foreign adversary with whom we're officially at war.

Adversary to the people, or the state? These are wildly different concepts. Just because my state has beef with China doesn't mean they can't convince me that my life is better with China in it. Sometimes states just misrepresent the people.

Right, but in the same vein, the British crown has a documented history of applying that label to dissidents. It was part of why were revolted in the first place.

Our definition for what constitutes treason is purposely narrow specifically due to the abuse potential.

It’s just the free market. It it with a big spoon, you asked for it
Free market isn’t a pass to do illegal things. There are many free market things that are illegal. Some would even be considered treasonous.